Guillermo B. Documents the Three Legacies to Stop a Recovery From Collapsing

Good evening everyone, my name is Guillermo and I am an alcoholic. I am an alcoholic who, by the grace of God, has been able to recover from body and mind. And I am an alcoholic who, by the grace of God, has been able to solve the problem with drinking. And so the book of Alcoholics Anonymous indicates it to me, in the prologue and in the second chapter. And if I have been able to solve this problem with drinking and I have been able to recover from body and mind, I am a miracle of God, because the World Health Organization has already dictated that alcoholism is a disease. And here it is. We have my partner El Capi, who is a doctor, and he will not let me lie. They assign me tonight to share with you the issue of gratitude. We, my wife and a waiter, yesterday left Mexico City in a terrible chaos. The Mexico City airport was closed yesterday at 5.15 in the morning and open at 9.30 in the morning. Therefore, the people who left at 5 in the morning were leaving at 6 in the afternoon and many were canceled. Mexico City was a chaos. We were not affected so much. We arrived in Guadalajara at 7.30 in the morning and took the flight to Fresno. And since we were in Fresno yesterday night, I slept as if nothing had happened to the bank. I was very calm and relaxed. And I would have liked to continue like this. I came on this occasion to listen, to see what you are doing so that I can remain for these 24 hours in sobriety. And well, that relaxation, well, in some way it gets tense when they tell you that you are going to share with such a topic. But this has to do with gratitude, which is the subject we are going to talk about tonight. And entering this city and seeing the magnitude of the city, I thought for the first time, how did this start? Who came up with this idea to do this work in the middle of the desert? This work. This majestic work. And I asked Melesio and he said, surely Julio has the story of how this started. My intellectual capacity cannot understand the intellectual capacity of those who started this majestic place. But if we look at these people who started this place, they are very good. They are very good. They have the power to do this. They have the power to do this. And the intelligence that is endowed by a human being is endowed by God. And this is a program of God. I am not talking about religion. I am talking about spirituality. And one of the parts of the third divinity is the Holy Spirit, God-son and God-father. So, you understand? I am going to continue. I am going to continue. I am also going to continue. Okay, let's continue. Here we go. I am going to continue. I am going to continue. Let's continue. God created this program for me, knowing the emotional situation by which I came and I was conceived from the womb. On my way from Basilia there, I talked about part of my story with Melesio and his wife, Aurora. About the situation that I lived as a child, a situation which is not easy and for any family. panacea nor am I the difference a nine-month-old child and that the decision the father to take his life and leave the woman pregnant with the fifth sister is not easy to simply meet the requirements to be a drunk simply emotional physical and mentally meet the requirements and my alcohol activity started very early at 12 years old at 14 I met my wife here present and if I say something here faked she will tell me do not lie because today we undertake a path and it is directed in truth you can not fake things that are not so when my wife comments that there was the queue of applicants the people ask him why and why he my wife comes from alcoholic parents and alcoholic brothers and chose a drunk to marry him and tried to do everything possible in her so that I stopped drinking but nevertheless nothing turned out absolutely nothing and what everything in a marriage where there is a family where there is the disease of alcoholism there is chaos and there is misfortune and there is war I introduce the subject because I have to talk part of what alcoholism I believe in my person in my family in my children who are the ones with whom I live today and by the nature of alcoholism my wife should not be here with me because of the nature of alcoholism I should not have any contact with my children but the nature of the program of alcoholics anonymous is stronger than disease and I testify to it how can I thank you that this is a very trilled phrase in the community of alcoholics anonymous alcoholics anonymous is that how can I thank alcoholics anonymous what it gave me I have learned in this walk within this community and we discussed a moment ago conetty a com por touch about the y know that tomorrow will participate after that, I call it as the book of alcoholic anonymous is a community because sometimes siete says brotherhood and sometimes hug沒有 I hug a partner and when he turns around I'm lying to his mother or I'm stinging his eyes. And if we are truly brothers and we know the meaning of what is brotherhood, we are brothers and we cannot attack each other. Whatever the condition, it doesn't matter. If I have attitudes that break the common well-being of my group, I can be called to attention so that I don't continue with those attitudes. And if I continue in the same way, I can be invited to join a group where I believe that this group does work according to my way of thinking and of seeing the program, or that a group opens up, that simple. But sometimes the program of the Anonymous Alcoholics, which is very different to the program of the Anonymous Alcoholics, continues with that obsession of the protagonism, of power and many times money. So how can I bring together with those attitudes gratitude towards what he received me with a life completely destroyed, with a family destroyed and completely separated from God. When I started to have knowledge of what the Anonymous Alcoholics program was, and when I arrived with my godfather and I said to myself, leave the big book alone. It is the basic text book, but there are many other books that you have to be able to get closer to them and to be able to have a little understanding of what the program offers you for your illness that is so great. The group's brochure tells me in one of the questions, what is the objective of the group? The objective of the group is to seek recovery with my own group colleagues and help others to recover through the first legacy, which are the 12 steps of Anonymous Alcoholics. But if I don't know the first legacy, which are the 12 steps of Anonymous Alcoholics, how am I going to help the one who is arriving in my group? If I don't know the tradition, how it was formed and what the traditions are for, how am I going to preserve the common well-being of my group? And if I don't know the third legacy, which are the concepts for the service, how am I going to be able to serve the community of Anonymous Alcoholics? So, the first thing I did was to start documenting what the program offers me to be able to deal with the disease of alcoholism. Because I have the story, and I have it here in a file. And surely, in an hour and a half, I wouldn't be able to give it to you and tell you the misfortunes I experienced when I was immersed in alcoholism. But today we are here to share experience, strength and hope of what this program offers us to say, what are you doing that makes you different? It wouldn't have been possible for me to be here tonight. There is no... There is no percentage that I would have been here tonight. But nevertheless, God has set the conditions for me to come to Las Vegas for the first time, and for the first time to an event like this congress. God makes things happen. God tells you, here it is. The only thing I ask of you, the only thing I ask of you, is that you do the task I have entrusted you with. Nothing else. And that you be obedient. Dr. Seward said, let's not investigate so much when the fellow who is recovering is already in the Anonymous Alcoholics program, he falls behind. Let's not investigate so much. He simply did not obey the instructions of the program. As long as that fellow who has fallen can join his group again, or if he thinks he will be attacked or judged, there are many groups so that he can return. But he should return to the community. Sometimes you see that as a fatality. Sometimes the fellow who has fallen believes it as the end of life. The end of life will be if he continues to be submerged in the fall, in the problem of drinking. Because alcoholism is a three-phase disease, physical, mental and spiritual. Insidious, deceitful. It makes you believe you are well and you are not well. And finally, it leads you to death, because it is the objective of all those who already have been drinking for 24 hours, and drink again. The only objective is to seek death. That simple. If I follow the instructions that the program offers me, I will surely be strengthened and I will come for the indulgence for these 24 hours. That is the objective that I always seek. The change of judgments and attitudes cannot be given and the results cannot be received differently if you continue with the same circumstances and attitudes of life that you had before when you drank. You have to put the emphasis on change, on commitment. For me, believe me, my gratitude to God as a first term. That could not be possible if God had not been in charge with those two enlightened people who were Dr. Bob and Bill W. who took care of this so that this could be possible. Of course, some more people joined, such as medical science, theology, psychiatry and other people who supported this so that this could be possible and this could be born. That is a fact. But since those times, since the 1800s with the Washingtonian groups and then the Oxford groups, they started doing something so that the drunk could stop the problem of drinking. And in tradition, how did that precious material that we alcoholics have, when Bill W. says, let us realize the mistakes that the Washingtonian groups had. Let us realize. I wish some of them were standing up. Some of them were standing up. But let us also realize the mistakes they made so that Alcoholics Anonymous does not die and can move forward. What happened? That the Washingtonian groups started doing things that broke the goal. Later, the Oxford groups based on that to avoid making mistakes and that is why traditions came to be able to safeguard the group of alcoholics themselves. Bob summarized love for service in two simple words. Service and love. And we have the declaration of responsibility too. Where he tells us, I am responsible when anyone and wherever extends their hand asking for help, I want the hand of Alcoholics Anonymous to be there and that is why I am responsible. I, not you, I. When I document myself with these three legacies that are the principles of Alcoholics Anonymous, I can offer help to the one who is coming. But I cannot offer help with something I lack from her. It is more than I ignore. Ignoring does not mean that I am offensive, but that I have wrong information about what the program is. So, being immersed within this community and knowing what I suffer from, which is a disease that will be there for the rest of my life. I was saying last week, I was in the group with some colleagues that I have within the group, who have been in the group for 24 hours, and who suddenly separate. And they are members of the same group. One is the secretary, the other is the treasurer, and the other is the group's R.S.G. And they separate like this, totally from the group. And on Saturday, on a topic that we were talking about in the group, he said that the person who realizes that he has a tumor in his head, and he is admitted to the hospital, and he cannot leave the hospital until he is done with the relevant studies to see if he can be operated on, and if he has extracted that tumor, which he can have at the edge of death, in a few hours. And he makes the decision to stay in the hospital. So that he can have the relevant studies and be able to extract the tumor. I have a very similar disease. And if I separate from the program, I will get sick and die. Sometimes, it is taken lightly. Unfortunately, we have testimonies of colleagues who had been in the program for more than 30 years, and they drank again, and the goal is death. In 28 days, they die. Because that is the nature of alcoholism. So, with this issue of gratitude, I have nothing but to turn to heaven, to thank what God offered me through this program, and to have a commitment to change. To remain immersed in what God has put me in to safeguard my life, my family's and my children's. I was writing to my two children a few moments ago, on my way here. And my daughter is a little more expressive than my son. And my daughter says, wow, you don't know how happy I feel when I see both of them as I see them. My son, who at some point in life took away my greeting, my speech, for three years, that I thought I would be able to recover in life, writes me words with testimony of love and gratitude towards the Father. Even though, even though, I caused the damage caused by alcoholism. If I don't value this, if I don't realize where I came from, and what kind of life I have today, and what kind of community I have today, then how can I have gratitude in my heart towards God and towards you? How can I express that gratitude? The book of the Great says to us that if there is a substitute, the book of Alcoholics Anonymous tells us, the substitute to the bottle is the great community of Alcoholics Anonymous. And my program doesn't mean that they are the four walls of my group. My program can cross any kind of border that can have a limit with any country. Wherever I go, there is a program and a group of Alcoholics Anonymous. With this I end. Eight days before, or fifteen days before, the eruption of the Volcano of Fire in Guatemala, we were in the old Guatemala. And for a little more, for a few days, the eruption took us and we were already walking, each one for his destiny. But I'll tell you the following, Melesio and a server, we looked for a group in the old Guatemala, and when we found the group, we entered and said on the blackboard, neurotic and addicts and I don't know what other things, and we didn't enter and we didn't leave. But finally, after a few days in the old Guatemala, we had the need for a meeting. Although we were having a great time, we were walking around, we were visiting wonderful places, but the need, at least for me, was to listen to a meeting. So we made the decision to return to the group. What happens is that once we were in the group, the group was separated into two parts. One where these people were being sessoned and the other one that was the group of the old one. A group with 55 years of sessoning. The remaining days that we were in the old Guatemala, we were going to the meeting, every day, at night. Our wives were waiting for us in the kiosk, in the little park, drinking the snow. And we got to the group, we shared, they invited us to share. And they, towards us, were very grateful. You can't imagine how they expressed it. But the ones we received blessings from were Melesio and I. We were the ones who were blessed by having found those people truly immersed in knowledge and practice of the program. There are no borders for this. Wherever you go, wherever you are, there is a place where you can listen to a meeting. And if I really want to thank Alcoholics Anonymous for what they gave me, and what I have been able to recover through this program, the mission is there. Open groups. Open doors. Because it is easier to close groups than to open groups. But not all the people, if you risk opening a group. Because sometimes the fear of criticism, the fear of judging, makes us stop, makes us get stuck. So, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to share with you tonight. I have been listening to this event for many years. I had never been able to come. Today, the circumstances gave me the opportunity to be here with you. And what a blessing! And it is not because I share, and because I express. And if this had not been, if the event had not been good, no. It is because the blessing of the gift that God has granted me to be able to help another alcoholic, is given. From the beginning, and the history of our principles, when Bill W. visits Dr. Bob, and Dr. Bob gives him 15 minutes to talk, and those 15 minutes extend for 4, 5 or 6 hours. And they realize that it is the way to talk between an alcoholic and another alcoholic, which is the way to stop the drink. And that is what we come, when at least I, here to share with you, and to listen to you. So, while I want to continue putting into practice this principle, I have to continue putting into work my knowledge of what the program offers me. And that is the way I can thank Alcoholics Anonymous for how they recovered me from that destroyed life, from that destroyed family, from those damaged children. By the grace of God, I believe that to this day, my son, who is 33 years old, my daughter, who is 30 years old, I believe, I believe, that to this day, the chains have been broken. Neither of the two, at least to this day, has an obsession or has problems with alcoholic beverages. And if that gets there, surely everything that goes down, will be free from this disease. Because from me up, my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather, surely alcoholics, I can no longer investigate it. But what I can do, is what comes from me down. Good night, happy 24 hours. Thank you. Thank you Father Guillermo for your brilliant participation. Friends, next we have Father Alfredo, Alfredo O. With the theme of veterans in Alcoholics Anonymous, with the most beautiful city in all of Mexico, which is Pachuca Hidalgo. I think Roy is right, because the reality is that Pachuca is the beautiful and the most beautiful. Friends, I am Alfredo, I am one of the most famous alcoholics Anonymous. I have a lot of experience with some of the groups, but today I want to tell you that it is an honor for me to be here. And if you see it like this, even if you don't believe it, there are very few, or very few today who can testify it. I am 33 years old, coming to this Roundup without fail. Yes? I am a 66-year-old boy, I feel like new. With many circumstances in my life, but above all with a lot of hope, because today, not because I am 34 years old in the program, I change, no. I am the same. The difference is that as a good pilot, the way I drive the plane is different. Yes? When I saw the pilot, I was like, from Washington to the mother of Pedro, I turned to the plane, very drunk, but the experience I had, saved almost everyone. In the end, they take away his license, in the end he loses a lot of things because he was wrong, but he saves many lives. I want to ask a question that maybe everyone will take it wrongly, who is really a veteran? Of course! But I also want to tell you one thing, when I arrived in a group, I arrived in a special group, as I found it and dictated it when I arrived, a group where everything was done, I was very lucky, I think we all were very lucky, we arrived at a place where there was already a café, chairs, a desk, someone coordinated there, someone who passed the message and talked, and as they say, the drinker, well, drink, well, yes, and we arrived. Today I feel satisfied because God gives me another opportunity to return here, without fail. I have not participated all the years, it is obvious, I have not participated all the years, sometimes I got lucky, I arrived and said, hey, a guy has arrived, come in, and I think that out of the 33 years that I have been coming, which would be 34 times, I think that at least the half, a little more than the times I have participated, and I realized something that has changed today, I always thought that the best team in the world was Pachuca, in Pachuca, of course, because they already said it, not because Roy is from there, nor the young Melgar is from there, or many who have been in Pachuca know him, no, because I think that in my team, as I designed it when I was a child, I lost Pachuca and I cried, but I won and I felt satisfaction, but what do you think I realized? That my team was the best because they had the best bench in the world, the one who was sitting here, the one who is talking here, the one who is coordinating, the one who is there, when they were offered, they entered and played just as well or better than us, that is perhaps the comparison of the veterans, how many years would I say? Someone, I discussed with a friend of mine, really, who is a veteran, who is an old man? We are not stingy, listen, not because we are 34, 35, no, no, no, we are not angry people either, we want to see that if the groups change, they improve, no, we are people who determine in our lives that we change, yes, because we started a group and we did not know where we were going, and the big difference is that we made a group, when we arrived it was worth more to us than the extension of the canteen, but when the years passed, we realized that our group must be the extension of my house or my job, those are the old people, those are the people we have changed, the people who are sitting there like the nail, who are stopping the painting of Bob or Bill, who cannot be seen, but who give us the great opportunity to be there when needed, that is the important thing. A father of mine used to say, we are the best in the last blue book that has someone there, and the way we represent our life out there, that is what it is, because once a friend of mine went to send a message, and the woman said, no, you better not go, you are drunk, and he said, but why? He came from the alcoholics, but that guy has another trip, if he goes, maybe my husband goes and gets another one, I prefer him drunk. We really have an example, we are people who do the job, of course, I see the time, privileged, yes, because we arrived at an appropriate time, my father-in-law Alfredo said that no one arrives before or after, and that is true, but drink, and many of us heard the message and did not come in, we did not want to, I am so special, I tell you so special, that for me the most important thing to arrive at an alcoholics group is not to arrive, because I knew alcoholics, I am a surgeon, I am a traumatologist, I was a chief of emergency, I was a chief of an area of a hospital, and I knew that people died, of course, they died from a chronic traumatic disease, from a hemorrhage, a shock, they died from bleeding, from exposed fractures, but they could not be put there, they died from alcoholism, nowadays I say it, they died from idiots, because the truth is the truth, you had to give a meaning and a name to that situation, they died because they were destroying their lives, we have heard it today from the experiences of my colleagues, we have learned and discussed why we are different, not because we are very good, I also want to have the strength and spirituality of Melesio, I like it, so I have to go and learn from him, that part that he has, and not get hooked, I know that maybe I can not, but if I get a little attached to him, if I hear him, if I listen to him, if I ask him, he is going to help me or has helped me to make many changes in many circumstances, of course he has helped me, when he tells me, look how you are, I say, oh my God, what else would they want, to hear us here and say that we are committed to something, I was also lucky enough to attend Montreal, Canada, I had just arrived, and Bernard Smith said something that shocked me and I still say it today, 33 years ago, he said, that one, right, he said two things, but the first one shocked me a lot because he said, that the best way, to not say that the only way, in which we can thank God, as Memo said, is a good alcohol-free union, and today we are saving our lives, because to me a union, to me a group, to me the experience of many of you, saved my life, and not only my life, but my family's life, I formed a group 32 years ago, and I still am in that group, maybe I have told you that I want to go out, or go out, but I am there, in the moment when I have to be, when I have had to be, I have learned to shut up many things, because having a veteran's life, is nothing more than to endure the circumstances of life, and to understand it, but I have a friend, who has come from Kentucky, and she came to hear a little bit, Memo comes for the first time, why? because we have, because we need many more things than this, we come because we are attracted to living differently, because we live it, because we have a way of being us, and we want to be different, I swear to you one thing, I loved to be drunk, I have a aunt, when I talked to her, now that we are here in a playground, in Aguascalientes, she said she liked the fart and the smell of shit, well, yes, the same, the one who comes and the one who follows, moreover, my ex-wife, my mother, she said to San Judas Tadeo, and to Diosito and all, that something might happen to me, because nothing happened to me, and I think it wasn't there, let's go, the point is to get to that moment, in which one is right, to start changing, I want to tell you something honestly, the experience has told me that stop drinking is very easy, I many times bet on it and I fulfilled it, I said it and I did it, ah, but from there, to stop drinking, cuando menos por siempre, por 24, eso era imposible. A mí me gusta mucho comentar que dentro de mi experiencia, porque me lo enseñó, porque también recibí experiencias de los borrachos. Iba a ver un amigo que fue mi padrino de cruda, le decía, puta, me siento que me muero, güey, espérate, güey, espérate. Vamos al vapor y nos tomamos la superior bien fría en el vapor, y al ratito otra superior, y al ratito otra superior, y un baño frío y meterse al vapor. ¿Y qué creen que me di cuenta? Que el vapor ni quita lo crudo ni quita lo pendejo. Pues sí. Ah, pero yo me sentía toda madre, claro. Cuando una vez iba yo de Pachuca allá, hace más de 35 años, no me acuerdo si como 38 años, íbamos a dejar un equipo médico a México, se me cayó, iba yo crudísimo. Y le dije al güey que me acompañaba, que ya lo madreamos, pues sabes que me siento mal. Igual fue mi padrino de cura. Me llevó y me entró a una de la cantina Intisayuca en el pueblo, y me acuerdo, dice, mira, lo mejor para esto, es una sangría, esa de tres colores, te la van nivelando así, te la dejan. Ay, güey, entonces la primera me sentí bien. No, me tomé la tercera y andaba pedo otra vez. Y entonces yo dije, bueno, esa experiencia la fui viviendo, pero eso no significa que fuera yo mejor. ¿Verdad? Los paisanos de mi mujer, ¿verdad? A uno lo trajo la cigüeña y a otro lo trajo el pato Lucas. Sí, le decimos el hombre de las tres manos, una derecha, una izquierda y una de chapopute. ¿Qué pasó? Que hemos aprendido muchas cosas en la vida. Yo lo puedo decir también con toda la confianza del mundo, ¿no? Pues yo quisiera tener a veces, la capacidad que tiene Julio para andar de aquí para allá. Y siempre me dice lo mismo, hoy me lo recordó. Ahora sí, es la última vez que voy a entrarle. Ya estoy hasta la madre, ahora sí, ya. Es que esto, pero nos encanta, estamos aquí, nos gusta llevar a la gente, compartir con ellos, invitarles, hablarles. ¿Qué pasó? Estamos inmersos en una forma distinta de ser, pero ser porque vivimos diferente. Porque hemos aprendido los principios y las circunstancias, que no tienen aquí. Mañana platicando de Los Ángeles para acá con un amigo le digo, es que yo no sé qué vaya a pasar, o qué pasa con aquellos que, literalmente, porque hoy lo tengo que decir, aquellos que vuelven a beber. Yo tengo la fortuna que por 34 años no he bebido. Pero he visto que muchos, por menos o más tiempo, el que me pasó el mensaje, aquel que un día me dejó en una cruz espantosa, me dejó un libro azul, Me desperté y lo leí, que la segunda vez que fue y me dijo, doctor, ¿qué cree doctor? Así como usted bebía, como usted bebe, yo bebía. Y no hice caso. Y pues seguí bebiendo y bebiendo y después de eso viví ocho años afuera de una cantidad tirado, mendigando el trago, ¿verdad? Como desechable. Ah, me pegó. Y me pegó muy duro porque dije, vamos, la madre, pues, ¿qué me conoce? Y yo decía que era muy fuerte bebiendo. Es más, a un maestro mío lo llevaba, me lo cargaba al hombro, me lo dejaba en su casa porque no aguantaba. Yo tenía que seguir bebiendo y bebiendo. Y decía, bueno, algo me está pasando. Pero también muchas veces me viene el espejo y dije, no, no manches. Yo no quiero, es hinchado, botagado, tenso, ¿verdad? Deprimido, cansado. Yo no quiero ser ese al final de cuentas. Yo no quería ser. Y tenía que estar en un lugar diferente. ¿Y qué creen? También no me sentía tan jodido. ¿Verdad? Como el chucho. Dije, oye, chucho, pues, es que, no manches, chucho. ¿Verdad? Yo siempre he dicho que a mí me salvaron los Martínez porque él era Jesús Martínez. Y luego llego el grupo y me apadrina mi padrino, Ramón Martínez, dije, en la madre. Y luego me dicen, te tienes que ir, ¿verdad? A la terapia de la cantina. Martínez. ¿Sí? Dije, en la madre. Pues, a mí me salvaron los Martínez. Y ahí nos hacían el alcoholímetro. Bueno, el alcoholímetro. A ver, ¿cuántas chupaste, güey? ¿Cómo te ponías? Y te dicen, no, güey, tú regrésate a chupar. Tú te mareabas con tres vueltas. No. Había ahí bebedores de adeveras. Decían. Yo decía, bueno, algo me estaba comparando. Pero, ¿saben qué pasó? Mi experiencia es que yo fui cambiando. ¿Sí? A mí, a mí el ego me ayudó a ser mejor, no a ser más cabrón. Me ayudó a entender y no ser soberbio. Me ayudó a aprender y no hacerlo para otros, hacerlo para mí. Es un estado real de conciencia, donde nosotros nos damos cuenta que la única forma es que lo hagas para ti. Punto. No he vivido. Y no soy tan bueno. Y también me han pasado cosas. Se murió mi mamá. Él. Bueno, me han pasado, ¿verdad? Gracias a Salinas de Gortaya, a su madrecita, que Dios la tenga en su santa gloria. Perdí todo. ¿Verdad? Porque en aquella época en México llegó a estar el interés al 144% al 2. ¿Verdad? El dólar valía, ¿verdad? Primero 2,800. Luego quedó en 3 pesos. Luego en 4 pesos. Luego, uno cada rato subía. Es más, ibas a comprar algo y decía, ¿cuánto cuesta? Pues 8 pesos. ¿Cuánto cuesta? 8.50. ¿Cuánto cuesta? No, dímelo. Y perdimos mucho. Yo compré, hice negocios y todo. Me quedé mancarro. Ya no bebí. Algo había ya pasado en mí. Algo estaba pasando en mí. ¿Sí? Y empecé a entender que yo era el que había entendido que el que no tenía que beber era yo. Que el que tenía que aprender era yo. Pero pasa el tiempo en el grupo. Y pues me pasó lo que a muchos, ¿no? Mejor dicho, tuve todos los servicios. ¿Verdad? Hasta que llegó un momento que me dijeron, pues ya serviste mucho. Ahora más siéntate. Y daban la vuelta y otros llegaban y veía qué hacían y qué dejaban de hacer. Decían, bueno, algo tiene que hacer. Pero en esa época decidimos que éramos mucho en el grupo. Ya había casi 50 en la noche. Y entonces había algunos que en la mañana querían hacer la junta. Y decidimos. ¿No creen? La conciencia del grupo. Y bueno, ¿qué? Se accedió también a un grupo en la mañana. Que vayan dos días a la semana. ¿Qué era? Y lo dijeron, no, ya no dos, tres. Hoy asesionamos en la mañana cuatro días a la semana. ¿Y qué creen? Ahora que estoy jubilado, se ató a mar. ¿Por qué se hace la junta? ¿Qué puedo ir ahora? Las ocho y media de la mañana. Todo lo que aparentemente hicimos hace 15 años por un grupo de amigos que nada más podía en la mañana. Hoy hice el grupo y me está salvando. Hoy está cambiando. Estoy cambiando mis cosas. Es el grupo que puedo ir. ¿Sí? Estoy jubilado de mi trabajo. Donde me metí en un hospital 39 años. Todo lo que ustedes quieran. Y no me daba tiempo. Y a veces en las noches empecé a dejar de ir a mi grupo porque empecé a traer trabajo. Y no me daba tiempo. Todo lo que aparentemente una decisión que se toma hace muchos años. Hoy en día. Ahora es mi home group. Mi grupo de la mañana. Es el mismo grupo. Hay una sola conciencia. Porque así está escrito. ¿Sí? Pero, pero muchos. Yo voy en la noche también. Pero para mí hoy en la mañana es como mi handicap. Es mi fuerza. Esa parte. Porque ya puedo ir el día y la hora que yo puedo hacer. He cambiado mis rutinas. Es más, va a dar las ocho y media y no he salido por alguna causa. Ya estoy hasta nervioso. Y tengo 34 años. ¿Verdad? Y siento que me hace falta mi junta. Y siento que. Cali. Que me ve ahí sentado porque lo he oído. ¿Sabes? Está Alfredo. Tantos años. Y viene a su junta todavía. Lo que a lo mejor muchos de ustedes no saben es que yo no quise. Que era la segunda parte cuando me pasaron el mensaje. Yo no quise. Yo no quise ir a mi ciudad. Yo no quise ir a mi ciudad porque yo era subdirector de un hospital. Porque tenía, tengo un hospital. Porque tenía negocios. Y me daba vergüenza. Me daba vergüenza. Me daba vergüenza que la gente supiera que yo iba a ingresar o estaba yendo a un grupo de alcohólicos. Entonces, Chucho Martínez, que me pasa el mensaje. Aparte que me platica y me levanta el fondo, como dijo Foster Kennedy, me dice, ándele. Pero me dice, me da la suave. Pero qué cree mi doctor. Le voy a recomendar un grupo donde van artistas, doctores, diputados, pues dejen la madre. Hay un lugar para mí. Y claro. Pues así. Así tienen que ser los grupos. Así tienen que ser. Entonces, también me dio la suave. Y decía uno de mis amigos, que acaba de morir este año, decía que a dos varas no hay toro bravo. Uno te tiene que dar el madrazo y otro te tiene que ser así. Porque es la única forma en que vamos entendiendo, nos vamos guiando. Me da la suave y me voy a ese grupo. Pero ese grupo no estaba en Pachuca, estaba en México. Y había que ir lunes, miércoles, viernes y sábados. ¿Sí? Por más de un año. ¿Sí? Por más de un año. Y me dijeron que me iba a sesionar a mi grupo. ¿Y qué creen? Que me dicen, oye, pues ya es mucho, ¿no? Íbamos primero dos, luego cuatro, luego seis. Ya íbamos hasta doce. Y se juntan algunos amigos, ¿no? Arturo, Jorge García, Henry Wood Jones, ¿verdad? Chano. Y entonces, a ver mi rey, pues me hacen una juntita. Y dice, vente acá. Hagan un grupo en Pachuca. ¿Qué es un grupo en Pachuca? Desde hace treinta y dos años ese grupo está ahí. Todos los días. Ese grupo está ahí. Y al principio, porque también lo oí hace rato, ¿qué creen? Dicen que los hay muchos chismosos. Yo no sé si es cierto. Dicen que todos los grupos hay. Espero que en este no, ni en todos los del Roundup. Ah, no. ¿Y qué creen? Como a los seis meses que ya iba yo al grupo, me hablan dos canijos. Oye, mi capi, porque me dicen capi, te queremos invitar. Ya sé que estás en Alcohólicos Anónimos. Ay, espérame tantito. ¿Cómo que? Si yo no quería que lo dijeran. Y te queremos invitar a nuestro grupo. Es solo por ahí, allá en Pachuca. Dicen, la madre. Pues mira, es que no sé si pueda. No, bueno, ya saben que para eso es uno bueno. Para el pretexto es bueno uno. Ay, déjenme ver mi trabajo. La verdad, mi madre. O sea, me daba miedo. Y al final de cuentas, sí fue. Y voy a ser más honesto todavía. Miedo era lo de menos. Sentía, a mí me pegaba mucho. Dentro de las terapias de la cantina del Kit Kat, donde nos juntábamos antes de las juntas para platicar y ver los temas y ver. Y todos me decían, no. Yo le dije a alguien ahí que estaba Ramón Osegueda y Gallardo. Y me dijeron, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. Yo le dije a Ramón Osegueda y Gallardo. Doctor en leyes. Le dije, oye, Ramoncito. ¿No será posible que le quitemos ese pinche nombre? No me gusta la palabra de alcohólico. No, no, no. Yo fui pedote. Fui alcohóliquín, chupador fuerte. Todo lo. Pero alcohólico. No, no. No me gusta. Y le daba vueltas. No me gusta. Y así. Le fue. Le fue. Fue checando. Y dice, pues sí, es cierto, ¿no? Yo decía, bueno, yo creo que sí voy a dejar de beber. Porque yo llegué a los alcohólicos anónimos a engañarlos. Sí quería quedar bien porque a mí ya me habían dejado. Ya vivía yo solo. A lo mejor tenía muchas cosas, pero la verdad estaba hecho pedazos. Pero mi ego, ¿verdad? Transformado en superego, o sea, en soberbia, no me permitía entenderlo. Y entonces mi grupo de amigos, eso. Me juntábamos. Ustedes saben lo que es la buena peda, la buena uva, ¿no? Decían, no, no, espérenme. Y luego, pues, fui y cometí la burrada de prometer que iba a ir a los alcohólicos anónimos. Y va la primera cosa. Me dice un amigo mío, no. No, no vayas a los alcohólicos anónimos. Ahí sí están bien locos, güey. De veras están, pero bien mal. Es más, me dice él, para que vean cómo es la vida. Él le hizo una canción a Magallanes. Ya. Fue a Marco Antonio Muñiz. Esa, a donde quieran que me quieran voy, a donde quieran. La han oído seguramente. Con la primera que me tome de la mano. Ah, qué pedos me puse con esas. No. Lo agarraba él. No, no. Y estaba yo construyendo una casa frente a la de él. Dije, no. Aquí, aquí. Es más, él y mi compadre me dijeron, vamos, dice, para que nunca te falte tragos, ¿verdad? Enterramos una botella en mi cantina. Ya ni vivo en esa pinche casa, imagínense. Pero bueno, en aquella época pensé que era lo bueno. Había que, ¿verdad? ¿Qué hacer? Poner como trofeo una botella en mi cantina para que nunca me fuera a faltar alcohol. Y efectivamente. Y me dijo, ¿sabes qué? No, ya no vayas. Ya ni lo prometas. Yo, porque él dijo, ¿cuál? Los Alcohólicos Anónimos. Dice que una noche, pues como era bohemio, se ponía aquí y hacía canciones y todo. Su papá fue un escritor muy famoso. Pam, pam, pam. Dice, ¿y qué? Me dice, ¿qué crees? Me dice, ¿qué crees, mi capi? Dime, dime. Ya volví a Los Alcohólicos Anónimos. No me digas, Isaac. Bueno. Sí, güey, pero que me borren de la lista, dice. Porque yo ya, yo ya de eso de, no, no es para mí, dice. ¿Y qué crees? No, no es para mí, dice. ¿Y qué crees? No, no es para mí, dice. No, no es para mí, dice. ¿Y qué crees? A los tres días que se mata. Y que lo borran de todas las listas, menos las del panteón. Y sí me pegó, ¿eh? Y lo habían borrado de todas las listas. Ya no quiero contarles más, pero sentí terrible, ¿verdad? Porque entonces dije que, se me hace, se me hace que a mí me guste. Y me dijeron, ¿qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Cómo ven? En ese momento me dijeron que no me voy a quedar solo por la promesa, ¿no? En ese momento, me llegué. Lo dije, hombre, yo me la married. Me la vi, yo me la vi, adalah la obra para resolveraaaa da brecha, de verdad, down Druck. Me digo, pero tiene mucho espacio aquí. ¿Cómo ve analogía desde su punto de vista? ¿Cómo ve elniego? A ver, yo un día voy a cider, un tiempo. Entonces llevo 10 meses, me voy. Ah, bueno. hiss m 마무�立 hasta el ancho y después de 3 meses me voy. Pues con el auto lo gano todo el tiempo, yo no sé cómo spoiler o no creo que tendo tiempo. ¿Cómo hice esto? I said, six months! And I'm honest, I went to rest my liver, to put on the hot case, so I could deflate, because I was sucking like a pig, to rest my liver, to feel good, so I could feel pleasant. And they started giving each other things, and indeed, I was lucky to understand and get to a group. In fact, the person who accompanied me thought that she was the drunk, because I was like, oh my God, that's how I am, right? No, I'm going to get the poor drunk, no, that's not me, that's me. But always the part that gives an excessivision to the outside, of what one is and everything, that's how it is. But some things happened to me. I've always been a fool, I've always been against, I've always been against authority, I've been a rebel, I've been many things, and then, but I'm not a rebel. I thought that there was a part of what, I mean, I was against even the same norm. And, well, I was already there. And then, I had an experience with a friend, who was there, he was a baseball catcher, I didn't play baseball, I didn't play much, but if I understood, he was a catcher, he says he was a very good catcher, and that the pitcher would come, and I would tell the pitcher, this girl is animated, I want her here. And then, no, no, wait, you know what they do, they turn the cap around, and this bastard says, I want her here. That was me. And look, now I want her here. I had to understand that I couldn't do what I wanted. Within this concept of gossip, and of everything that had happened, they invite me to the first meeting in Alcoholics Anonymous in Pachul, and I think that the twenty-something groups that were there at that time, already knew about it. And I said, I'm going, I'm not going, I'm not going, I'm not going, and I said, well, I already have some strength, I said, yes, I'm going. What do you think? I'm going very macho, to the street of Guerrero, in the center, to the mother, and I arrive, and the mother, and I say, well, I'm going to the center, and I say, well, I'm going to the center, and I say, well, I'm going to the mother. People around here, it was 8.30 in the meeting, people around there, the only one, the duck in front, they came here, the pharmacy in the corner, I said, in the mother, and when they came here, hello, how are you? And I said, others, and I gave them like three turns. Honestly, well, I did get into it, but already like at parties, right? I said, I'm going to get into it. And the meeting is nervous, because I thought that people would think, or knew that I was there, I had already entered a group of alcoholics. Honestly, I was 6 or 7 months old, and I was ashamed, I was ashamed. I understood that I was not ashamed, I went out to a canteen, turn in a curve twice, crash another five, no, that was not a shame. I beat people, go to the tolerance zone, and no, no, no, I was not ashamed. But how I felt sorry, shame and disgust that they knew that I was arriving in a group of alcoholics. The difference today with the years, with the circumstances, is that to me, as I told you, a group of alcoholics saved my life. Because I'm there, I'm in a group of alcoholics, I have been able to help many of those who want, like me. It was one day, to say that you can be and you can change, and you can change if they want. I don't tell them much. In fact, a guy told me one day, no, I'm going to kill myself, like that, bastard, kill yourself, go out there, and don't go to throw the blood here, throw yourself, I'm going here, no. You have to learn that, because at the beginning, I wanted to take the dog, I wanted to take the dog, a son-in-law spoke to me, oh, god, I spent the school, this donkey, come on, no, it's not curable. But at that moment, it was like that. Why? Because what hit me the most was the ego. What I liked the most was feeling good, just like what happened to Bill with the money, with his friend, the drunk, right? He gives 10 cents, right? But the other one gives 5 dollars, no way, man, where? All that happened to me. Maybe the difference today, that I tell you, for me, what at one point was shame, what at one point was tedious, what at one point were circumstances of depression, for me today is different, today is joy, for me today is an honor, to be an alcoholic, no, no, anonymous, for me today is an honor, I could be in a roundup telling you that it doesn't matter the time, indeed, but that life gives us the opportunity if we want it. And why not say it like that? Because that's how they taught me, right? God gave me a great, great fortune. I got away from God and became an alcoholic. I changed sides and I turned the other way around, and God sent me a group of healthy alcoholics. Today, for me, the best fortune I've had in my life is that I can be here, I've changed, I've lost many things, yes? I've fallen many times. The only difference is that when I fell, 35 or 40 years ago, I was left out, I was fucked up and I was in trouble. Now I fall and I stand up. I clean myself and I say, Lord, it didn't happen, I don't want to do it. I lost many things, but today God has given me more. He gave me a new family, he gave me new children, he gave me new circumstances, but above all he gave me strength to be better and to be happy. And I do that. Two things asked me to be an alcoholic, useful and happy, and that's what I want to say to all of you. May God bless you and see you always.