Chris P. at the Nosara Big Book Workshop – 2025

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I spend a lot of time when I'm working with someone on step one If you look in the big book, there's something like 60 pages that are basically about step one. And then you look at the rest of the program and it's about 80 more pages or so moving up through working with others. So there's a giant emphasis in the recovery material on step one and I had a lot of misconceptions prior to wanting to quit drinking, after wanting to quick drinking after going to treatment, after being exposed to aftercare, and after being in Alcoholics Anonymous a while. I had a lot of misconceptions about alcoholism and what step one was. Back in the 80s you heard a lot of one-liners. One-linners are basically short wisdom sayings. They're very helpful these one- liners because you can remember them. I always remember this one. It was a grisly old old-timer who came up to me one time and he goes, Chris, underneath every skirt's a slip. You know, I thought, whoa, you know, how profound. And, you know, these one-liners are very easy to remember and sometimes they're even accurate. Many times they're misleading to someone like myself because I tend to overthink things. You know, I can complicate a one-car funeral pretty quickly and if you give me one of those one-liners I'll make it mean whatever I want. Now, I heard a lot of things in the 80s. You know alcoholism is being an alcoholic is like being pregnant. You're not just a little bit alcoholic and I find that one to be as inaccurate as you can possibly get because again I talked last night about the scale of alcoholism. Some of us are sicker than others. That's one of the ones I believe in. I think that's a great saying. Some Of Us Are Sicker Than Others. One of the mistakes that we can make, though, when talking about sicker-than-others is to think that you're a better AA member if you're sicker. We're the only people in the world that reverse brag. In other words, you had three car crashes, I had six. You went to four treatment centers, I went to 12. We reverse brag, which If you tried that at a Rotary Club meeting, it wouldn't go over that well. But understanding the problem is always the key to being able to move forward into a solution. Bill Wilson was kind of a failed businessman, failed stock speculator, analyst. And so he used a lot of business terminology, a lot business analogies and if you look at some of those let's just use one right now if the business is in trouble the first thing you need to do is accurately identify where what the trouble is where is it coming from so as out as an alcoholic who gets gets the opportunity to work with other people the first thing I do is help someone to self qualify what is an alcoholic what are some of the signs what is a description a basic description in that of an alcoholic where are you on the scale these are all important things for someone to understand because depending on those items may depend upon how much work they're going to have to put into this thing to be successful there's probably 10 million alcoholics out in the world today who truly believe that AA does not work for them. Because they showed up in some meetings, they did a couple of half-measure things, they wandered away, they got drunk, and they truly, you couldn't convince them that AA has an answer for them. But AA has an answer für every alcoholic. It really does. It's the misunderstanding. It's the inability to really know what the problem is that usually stumbles us up. So this is why the first step is so important. The first time I drank, I cut school with a couple of my buddies. I was about 13 years old and we decided we were going to cut school and we were gonna go to my mother's house because she was at work and we were going to get drunk because I had some whiskey up in the closet. And we did that. Me and these two guys named John came to my house, and I pulled out a bottle of Four Roses whiskey, a nice big quart of Four Rose whiskey, not knowing much about the drinking game at that time because there was some beer drinking in my house but there wasn't any real alcoholic behavior in my home. I'd seen some John Wayne movies where you pour a big water glass of of whiskey and you drink it down and then you go shoot somebody. But that's about all I knew about drinking. So I poured three big water glasses of Four Roses whiskey and I passed them out. I had one, my two friends had one and I started to drink. And it tasted like absolute crap. I mean Canadian whiskey is really not sipping whiskey. But I didn't know that. I'm drinking it and you had to be cool so you had to get past that case and drink it down. Now, I want to tell you what happened to the two guys I was drinking with before I tell you what happened with me. They drank about two-thirds of their glass and they'd had enough. You ever drink with people that have enough on you? Is that annoying? What do you mean you've had enough? What do YOU mean you have to go home for dinner to see the little wifey? Are you out of your mind? You know, I mean, it was... I'll never drink with you again. We've got to close down the town when we're drinking. Anyway, they had two-thirds of their glass and they'd had enough and they sat back and they watched the show. Now that really is the normal non-alcoholic reaction to alcohol. You have a little bit of it. You have just enough. Maybe you get a little lightheaded. Maybe you start to spin a little. You feel maybe not in control. That's a normal effect of putting ethyl alcohol in your body. What happened to me was, immediately the phenomenon of craving took over. I was an alcoholic before I picked up a drink. I was like a little campfire that was smoldering and all you had to do was add alcohol for the flames. Because what happened was when I drank two-thirds of my glass, I finished my glass. I finished their glasses and I finished the bottle. And I went into my first blackout. I understand that today in hindsight looking back That it was a phenomenon of craving And science has kind of explained this As the way we metabolize alcohol It burns into different types of chemicals And it creates an actual physical craving for more alcohol That's why when some of us go out to the bar to just have two, you know, we're closing the place. Or we're just going to have one or two drinks before we go to motor vehicles to get our license back for a DUI and we get drunk out of our mind. Or we've promised the boss that we're not going to get drunk at the Christmas party. I'm just goingto have a couple of beers. Don't worry. I'm not goingto embarrass you. And you end up busting the car windows out with a baseball bat in front of all his clients. You know, this is what would happen to me. So anyway, the very first time alcohol entered my body in a significant way, I experienced the phenomenon of craving. Now each alcoholic is different. Some of us drink our way into that craving. Some of Us never really have it to the extent that others have it. It's a genetic bullet. You know? It's not... Jonathan said last night, it's not causal. It's not because, you know, your mother put you on the toilet backwards when you were a kid. It'snot because you came from a terrible childhood. It's a genetic bullet and some of us have it and some of us don't. So I'm 13, I go into a blackout I trash the house and then I go in to one of those hangovers where you have to be horizontal for two or three days. You're vomiting straight up in the air and it's coming down on you like a fountain. I mean, you knows those type of hangovers. I mean, I was just, I was physically devastated. Now if any other substance, any other substance would have affected me like that, like a papaya. If I would have ate a papaya and got that sick and been sick for two days, I gotta tell you, I never would have had a papayas again the rest of my life. I would not have had to join Papaya Anonymous and get a Papaya Anonymous sponsor that I would call if I'm feeling the urge to eat a papya. I would've had I would have had the adequate mental defense against putting a papaya down my throat pretty easily with no trouble. But here's the other trick to alcoholism. Alcohol does for us something that it doesn't do for the normal drinker. The normal drinkers gets a little fuzzy-headed, a little giddy, a lil sociable, you know? And I'm always thinking, well, finish about four more of those and go from giddy to fun, will you? Because you're boring right now. Let's do some drinking. Anyway, it does something for us. Now, what does it do for us? The hardest thing for me to understand with the first step was the after the dash. I understood that if I put alcohol in my body, I would be drinking and I'd get the job done. That was, from day one I understood that. I also understood toward the end of my drinking that if I made a firm resolution never to drink again, that that wasn't worth the paper it was written on. I could mean it, but I would change my mind. You know, so that's the obsession of the mind and the allergy of the body. Now, after the dash is a little bit more difficult to understand because there are people in the meetings today who will tell you Life on life's terms, you know, we all go through tough times. We all feel emotional. There's a lot of our emotional and our spiritual and our psychic life that is impacted in a gigantic way by alcoholism. And it's very, very hard to discern because as the book says, it feels like it's our normal life. The way we suffer feels like its part of our normal lives and we don't equate that with the alcohol. The alcohol actually helps the unmanageability in most of us. Alcohol is more of an answer to the alcoholic than it is a problem because of this unmanagability. now the book Alcoholics Anonymous in different places I kind of wish that they would have summarized it like in a paragraph like they did The Obsession of the Mind and the Allergy of the Body but they don't they talk about it in differentplaces in the big book in the doctor's opinion they talk abut being restless irritable and discontented unless you can once again feel that sense of ease and comfort upon pounding down a couple of bourbons Has anybody in here felt restless, irritable, and discontented in a sober state of mind? Duh! That was my normal... That was a good day for me back in the days when I was drinking. Restless, irritble, discontent. I couldn't wait in a line. If somebody was in the 12-item line with 13 items, I was going to slash their tires out in the parking lot. I mean, I was so, you know. And if somebody was doing less than the speed limit in front of me, what's the matter with you? Don't you know I got somewhere to go? You know, impatient, irritable. Oh, very quick to take offense. Anybody in here very quick? To take offense? What did you say? You know what I mean? I mean that's like a normal day for me. Now, that's alcoholism. Do non-alcoholics suffer from that? Absolutely. But it's not a chronic state of mind normally in non-alkoholics. Now, a good day is restful, favorable, discontented. An average day is being prey to misery, depression, anxiety, self-centered fear, feelings of uselessness. You know, feelings of just, you know, this is just not, there's something just wrong. I just don't, I don't feel like being here, you Know, I want to, I just, I got to get out of here. I just want to go somewhere else, you Now. Or else somebody would invite you somewhere and you would figure out 12 reasons why you don't want to go. I mean, your life gets smaller and smaller and small as an alcoholic. You protect your alcoholic environment more and more. You know, and mine was protected to the point where really my last two years of drinking were done in a bedroom. I mean, I couldn't really leave the house without there being problems. I love the people that talk about being bar drinkers their whole life. I didn't last ten minutes in a bar. What would happen is I'd get in a fight, the bartender would cut me off, or I'd pass out on the bar. All three of which they get annoyed with. And the getting cut off really annoys me. I would be incensed when I got cut off. You're cutting me off? Don't you know who I am? Don't YOU know I'll kill you? So I couldn't do the bar thing after a while. So that's a typical day. That self-centered fear that keeps you from being able to step out easy. You take three or four drinks, four or five drinks, and guess what? You can now step out easily. You're restless, irritable, and discontented. You take a couple of drinks and you're just like, ah, you know, the world is as it should be. I mean, see how alcohol really is the solution to the unmanageability? Now, the worst part of the unManageability they talk about in A Vision for You. The Vision for you chapter is wonderful. It's got a dark vision, the vision of chronic alcoholism. And then it's got A Vision of Recovery. There's two opposing visions. And what I think Bill was trying to do in that chapter was show you good reason to embrace this process of recovery because a dark vision versus a vision of recovery, there's really no choice. You know, not only is it about our survival, but it's about our sanity. It's about the ability to cope on this planet. But anyway, in that chapter, it talks about pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization. Anybody ever been there? Anybody ever be suicidal at periods of time? Not too many people raise their hand in Rotary Club meetings either. But I'll tell you this, the alcoholic is 60 times more likely to take their own life than the non-alcoholic. And we normally don't do it drunk. Sometimes we do, but normally we don't do it in that period between drunks where we're suffering from pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization. We can't see life with alcohol. We can't see life without alcohol. We're at that jumping off place we wish for the end. You know, that's the dark vision that they talk about in a vision for you. And that's extreme chronic alcoholism, end-stage alcoholism. That pitiful and incomprehensible. You know I felt situational pitiful and incomprehensible immoralization when I would do stupid things. You know, when I would grab the boss's wife's ass at the Christmas party drunk or something and wake up the next morning going, oh no, I can't believe I did that. But toward the end, it was a chronic state. I would come to in the morning just being humiliated with being me. It was such a burden to be me. And I would long for the weekends where I could get drunk out of my mind, pass out, come to, start drinking as quick as I could to get drunk out of my mind again pass out come to start drinking and somewhere around Sunday afternoon try to pull out of this so that I can maybe get to work I was drinking for oblivion and it talks about that in the book that oblivion was the vacation from the restlessness the irritability the discontent the self-centered fear the depression the anxiety the pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization. I needed a vacation from that because I was not going to make it if I had to feel that way day after day after today. I would take my own life. Many nights, I sat with a .38 caliber handgun cocked to my head, cursing myself for being cowardly enough not to be able to pull the trigger. Now, that's not normal behavior. You know, Aunt Fanny and Uncle Fudd don't sit there with a gun to their head. You know what I mean? This is the chronic unmanageability of alcoholism and it creeps up on you by seconds and inches. A minute, a day, a week, a month, a year at a time. And it becomes your normal consciousness, this unmanagability. Now, I didn't know any of this stuff when I staggered into Alcoholics Anonymous. No one sat me down and got me clear on the first step. They told me I had a drinking problem. Now, in certain aspects, I could understand that because drinking was literally poisoning me. I found out 20 years after I quit drinking that going into a blackout, passing out and being, you know, un-wake-up-able is alcohol poisoning. That's alcohol poisoning! If they would drag you into a hospital in that state, they would pump your stomach and when you came to, they would tell you that you were near death and you better quit drinking. But that's what I did every single time I drank. I drank myself into unconsciousness. Again, this is not everybody's experience. But it was mine. Now when I showed up, I understood that to continue drinking like that was going to devastate me physically. It was certainly wracking my emotional state. I mean, I knew that alcohol was somewhat involved in all this, but I still didn't think these people understood. because alcohol did something for me that other things couldn't do. It gave me at least a little bit of break from myself, but I did understand the fact that I was poisoning myself and I was going to probably die pretty quickly if I continued to drink. So I showed up at the Alcoholics Anonymous meetings and I started to do the Alcoholics Anonymous Fellowship stuff. Went to a lot of meetings, got a sponsor, got a home group, made the coffee. I was the secretary here, the GSR there. You know, went out to the diners, made all new friends, all new friends in AA. You know I did all the fellowship stuff out of a sense of desperation, not trying to be a good AA, not trying to get A's in AA I did it because I just didn't want to feel bad anymore. And somewhere along the way, I learned a little bit about alcoholism. I started to put the pieces together and I started to see just how aggressive alcoholism was. If there's one thing that an alcoholic does, that all alcoholics do, it's minimize. We are always in way more trouble than we think we are. Every single one of us is always in way more trouble than we think we are. Right now, I'm in way More Trouble Than I Think I Am. If you have any unfinished amends, you are in way MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE. If you haven't gone through the steps in a couple of years and renewed your spiritual practices through prayer and meditation and you're not working with other alcoholics, you are IN WAY MORE TROOBLE THEN YOU THINK YOU ARE IF YOU'RE AN ALCOHOLIC. That's across the board. It's something that we all suffer from because the ego balks at investigation, as the 12 and 12 states. Now, looking back on my trials and my tribulations during my early years of bitter struggle in Alcoholics Anonymous, I look back with an eye of gratitude on what I went through and all the pain that I suffered. I believe that the alcoholic is an unresolved mystic, and I want to explain what I mean by that. What a mystic is, a mystique is someone who is desperately searching for a connection to the divine. How I searched for it was with drugs and alcohol. I tried to get myself to that perfect state. Just enough cocaine, just enough booze to be right there. You know what I mean? And I would always overshoot the mark and turn into a vomiting pig. But I was searching desperately for that sense of ease and comfort. I was researching desperately for that sense if everything is all right, that I'm in the right place at the right time with the right people. I was desperately searching for that. Now, I think that's what motivates a lot of mystics. The people who go into the religious orders and go into silent meditation for five years. The people Who become high lamas. The people that go to India and study with the Dalai Lama. And the people who join the convents or join the priesthoods or whatever. I think that innate in mankind is the need to touch that divine. We come from the divine. And we need to go back to the divine and touch that. Now, the alcoholic is an exaggerated form of that type of belief system. I think that we desperately sought that peace that can really only come from a spiritual peace. And we looked for... Why do you think alcohol is called spirits? I mean, you know, when I first started drinking, they were called the spirit stores. They weren't called the liquor stores. They were called spirits, wine and spirits. Spirits, spiritus, you now? The breath of God. That's what they used to call alcohol. And we were going after that breath of god to escape that unmanageability and try to get back to the sense of divine. Some of those senses of being able to touch the divine that we felt in our childhood. You know, each of us has felt that. Bill Wilson talks about it going into Winchester Cathedral. Then he talks about many of us have seen like a sunset or it's just been a beautiful, perfect day and we get that sense that this is a beautiful perfect day and we're right where we want to be. Right where we need to be and God is wonderful and loving and everything is wonderful. And we've had those experiences of satori. We're on a desperate quest for that as alcoholics, and a lot of times we die heading in that direction. And it warps our minds, and it waraps our ability to believe, and it becomes very unspiritual, it becomes Very Decadent, and Very Ugly, and Very Tawdry, and Very Vacant. This quest for the spirit through alcohol or drugs. And that's when a lot of us get to that jumping off point. Now, many of the spiritual sages and teachers believe that a spiritual journey starts through adversity. Very few of us are going to be motivated to dedicate our lives to a life of service and compassion without having our ass a little bit on fire. We come from, we come from our motivated and are pointed toward the spirit through adversity. And not all seekers of the divine are alcoholic. Many of them, many of them are driven in that direction through really bad childhoods or trauma in their life or death of loved ones or physical abuse or whatever. A lot of people are pointed in those directions, but most of them do not go after a spiritual life out of a sense of virtue. They go after that spiritual life from a sense of I don't want to feel this way anymore. And so I think as alcoholics starting a spiritual journey, we're doing it to get out of the fire not to get to the light and the good news is that the spiritual journey that we have to accept is an answer not only to our alcohol problem but it's an answer to our living problem it's a answer to being better equipped to experience this God-given spiritual journey called life on earth and the people who can get past the misunderstandings, you know, the bad meetings, the lack of true understanding of what alcoholism really is or the solution really is. The people that can get out past that and into the operational methodology of spiritual living will experience unbelievable joy in their lives, an unbelievable quality to their life. And that's what's really special, I believe, about Alcoholics Anonymous. Now, I've done a lot of big book workshops and I've worked with a lot of people and whenever I'm working with someone, you know, I've got an open big book. And without exaggeration, I've probably gone through the big book, except for the stories, the first 164, between four and six hundred times. You know, I know evangelists that haven't gone through the Bible that many times. I mean, you know, and listen, I don't re-read anything, okay? I give books away as soon as I'm done reading them. But the book Alcoholics Anonymous is a spiritual classic. and the definition in my opinion of a spiritual classic is a book that will meet you where you are and open vistas in your understanding and belief systems where you're at and will continue to do so throughout your spiritual journey. I believe that there's a handful of books that I've experienced that can be called spiritual classics and the Alcoholics Anonymous is one. Because every single time I go through it, I gain a little bit more understanding of where Bill was at when it was being written. A little bit More understanding of the spiritual mechanics and processes that he's explaining. And a little Bit more about the spiritual life and the promises inherent in that spiritual life every single Time I go Through the book. Now, my first exposure to the book Alcoholics Anonymous was in treatment. They gave us a book upon admission. Here's your big book. Here's you stepbook. Here's Librium. Those are the three things they gave me. They didn't require that you read it, but we had a lot of down time. In between the Father Martin movies, there was a lot down time, so I read this thing. And I read it like it was the Da Vinci Code. Man, I blew through this thing 100 miles an hour. When I got to the end, I thought, not very well written. Bill Wilson's kind of a loser. You know, this thing is dated. Why didn't they update some of the verbs and adjectives to meet modern day? What is it with this thing? the enormity of its significance completely eluded me on my first read some of the stories touched me a little bit because every once in a while there was somebody that actually was alcoholic in those stories and I recognized some of their symptoms and some of them some of your viewpoints when they were talking about their drinking but that was it I did not see this as a vehicle to my salvation, certainly not. And they certainly weren't saying that it was in this treatment center and they certainly were not saying that is was in the AA meetings. They were basically telling me not to drink, go to meetings, take the cotton out of your ears, stick it in your mouth, keep it simple, think, think ,think, easy does it, shut up. And that's basically what I was getting in the early days. Now, thank God I got through that to get exposed to the problem because the problem is the springboard to the solution. I thank God today that I have an accurate appraisal of my alcoholic condition even though I'm minimizing it a little bit. I still have kind of an accurate understanding of my alcoholism. Here's what would happen if I stopped the spiritual disciplines, the fellowship activity, or being of service. Probably in about three months, I would be crankier than you can imagine. I would Be restless. I'd be irritable. I'd Be discontented. Self-centered fear would come back. Depression would come back. Anxiety would come back. That's what would happen and it would happen slowly. It wouldn't happen the day I stopped making coffee at the home group. It would happen slowly and imperceptibly. And inch by inch, this unmanageability would creep up on me until I was exposed to or susceptible to the obsession of the mind, which would convince me that just a bottle of vodka, I need a little vacation from me, you know, it's just going to be that one bottle. I just need a retreat. I need to retreat from myself a little bit and I would be drunk somewhere between three months and two years. Who knows? I don't know, but I know that that would happen. That's my accurate self-appraisal. So the spiritual life has to come first for me. I make that clear with my wife who is just the most lovely understanding person in the world. She even encourages me if I haven't been to a meeting in a while. Hey, I think you need a meeting. Not like you're an asshole, go to a meeting, more like I've been watching and you've only had two meetings, why don't you go find somebody to talk to? Why don't she call so-and-so? When's the last time you did a full-blown four-step inventory? She's very encouraging and this is coming from a non-alcoholic. She just seems to get it. There are actually spiritual people out there that don't have to go to 10,000 meetings. You know, they They just tend to get, intuitively, the fact that some of us need to put into practice the spiritual life to be okay because we're a little sick. So I know that's my first step truth. I believe that when I sit with someone, it's my job for them to get to a point where they understand their first step true. Sometimes this is really difficult. I've had treatment center commitments for 20 years. And there's this place that I go to in upper New Jersey, which is considered, I don't believe it to be true, but it's considered to be the last door you can go through. They accept you if you failed at a number of treatment centers prior to. And this place, minimum stay at this place is eight months. I've seen people stay there for two years. Locked down. No phone, no nothing. Nothing. Just you. You know what I mean? Oh, and I've had commitments at this place for almost 20 years. And even being locked down for over a year, some of these people still just don't get it. They don't understand hopelessness. They don'T understand the need for surrender. They think that if they could just get the hell out of here, everything will be all right. I know now, thanks for the information. I got the book! I got that book, I'm good! They don't get the insidious insanity that happens to us. They have not touched that enough to be able to make a full surrender. So when I work with somebody, today normally it's people who've been through the steps already, you know, they want a new experience, but every once in a while I get a newcomer. I've got two newcomers I'm working with now. I don't let them go until I'm sure that they know where they are on the scale of alcoholism, that they Know Where They Are as it relates to powerlessness, as it relays to unmanageability. We get very, very clear. I've Got Some Exercises I Give People. I'll Give Them The Bedevillment Exercises. You Know, We Were Prayed To Misery, You Know The Bodevillments? And I'll Have Them Do Multiple Paragraphs On Each Bedevilment and how that's showing up in their life today. I'll have them underline every single promise in the big book. I'll then make them go back and have them underlying every bit of unmanageability. I'm not going to let them go until I'm convinced that they're clear on their truth about their alcoholism. Because if you let somebody go who doesn't really understand or doesn't know, No, they're going to be part of the half-measure club. And a lot of times the half measure club make it. Meeting makers make it, half measure meeting makers can make it They can, depending on where they are on the scale. But if you've got a tiger by the tail If you've one of the real deals, they are not They are not going to make it The meetings are not gonna be aggressive enough To counteract their alcoholism Their alcoholism is cunning, baffling, powerful, and awesome to behold in its nature. Anybody here ever seen newcomers with their plans? That's my favorite, newcomer plans. Aren't they the best? I collect them and trade them with my friends. So there's an actual process. I probably spend more time on the first step with people than I do on any other step. Because if they do a good job identifying, if they doing a good of finding their own truth, I won't have to push them through the steps. I won' t have to do more work than they do, you know, going through the step. They are gonna have a motivation born from desperation and they're gonna understand that they need to lock into the power, that power that helps us go through the steppes. I believe that we don't have the power to go through the steps on our own. I've seen too many people who really wanted to go Through the Steps not go through The Steps. I believe we need to tie into that power through some prayer, through some meditation, through some surrender to be able to start moving forward with the steps. Every single day I need God's help living a spiritual life. I can't do it on my own. On my own, I fall short in word, thought and deed every single day. I have feet of clay. And it's only through the power of God manifesting in me in very mysterious ways sometimes that I'm able to take one foot forward and continue to do enough of this stuff to be able to stay in the recovered state. You know, in today's day and age, especially around the time when I got sober, there are multiple issues out there. It's not just about alcohol anymore. There are some really insidious drugs. Anybody heard of bath salts? You know, I mean, there's crazy drugs that are showing up now that are monstrously addictive and unbelievably destructive. And there are people coming in that are just blown up through drug and alcohol use. And how I approach that is in the same way. Whatever drug they're using, I let them use the big book. And where it says alcohol, I just change the name to crack cocaine or whatever. I don't work with a lot of drug addicts because I believe in the singleness of purpose and I believe that they would be better served working with someone with their own experience. However, you know, sometimes I'm really the only person available or around So I've had experience working with people with multiple problems and multiple issues. And I can say this, the good news is the power of God is sufficient. The power of Gott is sufficient I don't care what you're on I don' t care what your been doing You can recover. It's a mistake to think that you are not going to have to work very hard for it though. And one-liners like Easy Does It, I just don't like. I understand why that slogan is up on the wall because some of us come in just wanting to get this thing done. Give me the steps. Give me a book. I want to get the hell out of here. I've got a life to live. I understand that there's appropriate understandings of things like Easy does it. But in my case, Easy never did nothing. You know what I mean? I had to do a lot of work, a lot of painful work. A lot of pushing through that self-centered fear. Especially in things like the fifth step. Especially in thing like the ninth step. I had the push through monstrous self- centered fear. If I go back to my ex boss he'll think I'm a jerk. I mean that one blocked me from making amends for about six months. Now, I look back on it and I think, what a stupid thing to think. Who cares what my boss thinks? I'm going to die. You know what I mean? I'm gonna die. But I'll die. I just don't want to look stupid. You know, I mean, it's insane. But I had to push through that self-centered fear. I had the push of the fear, just go into meetings. Every single meeting I went to for years, it was tough walking through that door. You know who's going to be in there? Am I going to have to sit by myself? I mean, all these thoughts. It was tough. But I had to do that. I had to start changing. Now, you know, I believe that change is very difficult for us. I know that we need help doing it. Knowing how to live a good life is the booby prize in Alcoholics Anonymous because knowing how is not offering you the ability to. I had to do a whole lot of work to start to even get close to living a decent life. And all that came from the motivation and the understanding that I got in step one. You know, if you're new and you're coming back and you haven't had a spiritual guide really show you this stuff in the book, I highly recommend that you do. It may mean the difference between staying or going. it may mean the difference between life and death. It really may, because many, many of us leave the meetings. Somewhere along our path, through these meetings, we find them to be an overreaction and something that we no longer need to do because we've got this thing. And you remember, alcoholism is cunning, baffling, and powerful. It's just, it's waiting, the ego is waiting to grab you back and start to move you around because the ego needs control. That's its whole purpose. It's a survival belief system that is out of place with an alcoholic. It can cause our destruction. So if you're new or coming back, get with somebody who can explain this stuff to you. Once this is explained to you, once you have a full concession to your innermost self about the truth of your stock and trade, your alcoholism, the rest of this is going to be forward momentum. It really will. And in a very short period of time, you will find that your spirit has awakened. You are experiencing some profound promises in your life. You have been reborn of the spirit, and your old alcoholic life is something that you'll always remember, but you no longer really experience on a day-to-day basis. If you're working with other alcoholics, please take the time to sit down with the book and at least go through the important areas of step one. The first paragraph in We Agnostics, if when you honestly want to, you find you cannot give up drinking entirely or if when drinking, you have little or no control over the amount you take. That's an important one. The bedevilments are important. The doctor's opinion is important. Please go through this with your protege because you do not want it to be your fault that you did not offer sufficient exposure to the problem so that they would become motivated to seek the solution. You do not want it to be your fault. Take your job very, very seriously where it concerns the first step. Also, going through the first steps, you can unqualify a lot of people who are just going to be a headache moving forward anyway. They're going to Be The Sponsors That Make You Look Bad Anyway. So, you know, if it's not their truth, if it's like you're going to kick them out of AA if they're not alcoholic. Nobody is the AA police. But if they are not alcoholic it's NOT your responsibility to work with them. You can continue to do so out of a sense of compassion but it's Not your job to do that. If however someone does qualify as an alcoholic, you need to make yourself available for an adequate presentation and motivation through the rest of the steps. That's your job. Take that job seriously. We die. We die, and we die in very, very pathetic ways. The alcoholic, when the alcoholic checks out, he is bankrupt and vacant in every way possible. You know, you don't want to be part and parcel of that. So take your job seriously. Be very honest and very forthright, but never talk down to an alcoholic like you're some frigging guru and they need to polish your car before you talk to them about recovery. Don't do that because we've been shamed enough out there. Alcohol has shamed us enough. We don't need a sponsor that's going to shame us. We need a spiritual guide, Someone who's going to offer us an adequate presentation of the material that's going to give us sufficient defense against the next drink. And that's all I have on step one. Thank you for listening to Sober Sunrise. If you enjoyed today's episode, please give it a thumbs up as it will help share the message. Until next time, have a great day. Thanks for watching!