The Man Who Sobered Bill Wilson Tells His Own Story in This 1961 Recording – Ebby T.

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Ebby Thatcher — the man who carried the message of sobriety to Bill Wilson — tells his own story in this extraordinarily rare 1961 recording from San Jose, California. He begins with his childhood in Albany, New York, and his friendship with Bill Wilson in Manchester, Vermont, where both families had summer cottages. He describes how alcohol initially gave him the confidence he lacked in social situations, and how Saturday-night drinking gradually consumed his life until he was facing a mandatory six-month prison sentence in Vermont.

In 1934, two men Ebby had known as drinking companions approached him with the Oxford Group message. They challenged him to turn his life over to Higher Power, and in a pivotal moment, Ebby walked up and down his cellar stairs debating whether to drink three bottles of ale before a court appearance — ultimately giving them to a neighbor instead. That decision produced a spiritual release that changed his trajectory. Within weeks he was speaking at churches and town meetings across Vermont, and soon moved to New York where he lived at the Calvary Mission on 23rd Street.

It was from this base that Ebby visited Bill Wilson, who was drinking heavily and unwelcome on Wall Street. Bill came drunk to an Oxford Group meeting at the mission, then checked into Towns Hospital, and Ebby visited him there repeatedly. Bill took hold of the program and the following summer met Dr. Bob in Akron — the partnership that founded Alcoholics Anonymous. Ebby is candid that his own sobriety was not continuous: he relapsed multiple times over nearly two decades, cycling through jobs, farms, and institutions.

The turning point came in 1953 when Hazel Rice at the Intergroup office connected Ebby with Charlie Milton, who arranged to send him to Dallas, Texas. After a harrowing detox and a slow recovery among the Dallas AA fellowship, Ebby found steady work and built six years of continuous sobriety. He closes with hard-won humility — acknowledging he must set aside big-shot ambitions, accept modest circumstances, and remain grateful simply to be alive, sober, and able to carry the message that once saved Bill Wilson's life.

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• 0:00 Ebby introduces himself from Dallas, Texas; describes sightseeing in San Francisco
• 1:30 Childhood in Albany, NY and Manchester, Vermont; first meeting Bill Wilson as a boy
• 4:00 Expelled from school for drinking; early recognition that alcoholism ran in his family
• 6:00 The first beer that hooked him — using alcohol to overcome social insecurity
• 9:00 1934: Living alone in Manchester, facing prison; two Oxford Group men approach him
• 13:00 The cellar stairs moment — walking up and down debating the three bottles of ale, then giving them away
• 17:00 Moves to Calvary Mission in New York; learns Oxford Group principles for a year
• 21:00 Visits Bill Wilson; Bill comes drunk to the mission, then enters Towns Hospital
• 27:00 Relapse cycle begins — loses job at Ford Motor Company, years of drinking and institutions
• 35:00 1953: Sent to Dallas, Texas; harrowing detox, slow recovery, finds steady work and six years of sobriety