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He still is a professional victim. Blaming others for going in and out of AA is sad . Some of us are sicker than others.
He sure is. Don’t share war stories, unless you’re Chris. What right do you have to share your divorce stories, unless you’re Chris. These speaker types have the worst egos in the rooms. Poor Chris, everyone keeps asking him to speak. He really wants to quit his speaking gigs, but he’s the only one to carry the message. No Chris, you’re not being controversial. Your ego is telling you that to make you feel unique. Some people overshare, I get that. Others just share their current experiences, which might not be great. It is not harming the newcomer. His approach will chase a newcomer out faster than someone sharing about a divorce. We don’t care about the person with five months sharing about a divorce, but we care about the guy who just came in?????? Makes a lot of sense. He’s gonna give it to you straight. Point blank. Nobody makes fun of big book thumpers because they carry the message, they carry their anger and frustration. Further, they are the ones who usually hit on the women, that’s why they leave the rooms. You can be sober and not “take shots,” that’s just the ego again.
Come in, go through the steps. Share your experience. Keep your frustration to yourself, it’s not your god given right to share it.
It’s sad when someone with long term sobriety claims a message of hope, but then spends much of the talk tearing down others in the program. Love and tolerance is our code, right?
You Bet. Luckily though none of us are saints, even dopes with long sobriety. Don’t stress, there’s probably a lesson to be learned for that guy and it may be kinda painful.
All best,
Dennis D.
Jeff so true that Love and Tolerance is our code but Love is not giving license to sick degenerate pukes to do what they want. Tolerance is not watching another do what experience says will kill them. Real love includes tough love real tolerance guides away from bad decisions. AA once again is putting some distance between itself and the founding principals, the correction back to the path will not be comfortable and some like yourself will be offended. A speaker once said if it makes you uncomfortable then you better do an inventory.
Agreed. You don’t need an inventory because you’re smart enough to hear him criticizing others. I’ve seen many guys like him over the years with the same schtick. Yes, it is schtick, not AA. No experience, strength, and hope; just clinging to every word in the book, citing definitions and losing the message. I’ve been at this over 25 years, have a beautiful life. I did the steps, don’t believe in the God they tell me Bill intended me to believe in. I’ve been through some heartbreaking experiences without a drink or self pity. This trend is worrisome to me. It’s not going back to anything. It’s usually a bunch of overweight guys with big egos, touting their careers and accomplishments, followed by false humility. I’m definitely taking their inventories, but I don’t share at them at meetings.
DISCO DRUNK
Go drink then if CANT handle the truth. Thank you Chris Raymer for tellin the truth and not bein afraid to hurt these little disco drunk peoples feelings
The truth of Bill Wilson crying out for a drink at the end of his life? You guys with that “go drink” crap have the same attitude as a drunk in a bar. Now is the time you’re supposed to point me to the line in the book about trying some controlled drinking. I haven’t met one guy with that “I’m gonna tell it like it is” sobriety who had a full and happy life, especially at home. On the other hand, there are men who share their experiences, which carries a much stronger message than tough guy sobriety. This is never carrying a message to a newcomer, it’s trying to berate the guy who doesn’t follow head up your ass sobriety.
amen
Message of hope for the dying alcoholic is found in BB. PERIOD.
I think it’s a great message overall; sometimes the truth hurts.
I’ve never been to a meeting that didn’t carry a big book. He must of went to some crappy meetings.
How many meetings have you been to……2
Great message. We need more “big book” and less therapy sessions! Thanks for bringing that to the forefront.
Did you only listen to the first 90 sec ? Lol
Im glad I never heard this speaker early in my recovery, very poor spokesman for AA.
Theresa no such thing as a spokesman for AA.
I always enjoy his shares,I’m absolutely sure he embellishes his share to great extremes. It’s impossible to remember all that goes on when we are detoxing and sick , it’s all good , Iam experiencing the life of a recovered person. He actually thinks he has to power to change people. Lol he’s a joke with great intentions.