How I Took The Steps in 1938, part 2

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   bill_d89 on May 28, 2018 at 5:48 am

   “How I Took The Steps in 1938, part 2” is the correct title for THIS tape, thank you for re-titling )

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     Admin on June 7, 2018 at 2:59 am

     Bill – Thanks a bunch, correct Titles go a long way to helping the user listen to them 🙂

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   bill_d89 on May 28, 2018 at 5:37 am

   AA Pioneer and Cleveland AA Founder, Clarence Snyder (Part 2). Good sound quality.
   00:00-00:30: Step 10.
   00:30: Step 11 Distinction of Prayer (Talking) & Meditation (Listening).
   3:00 What we pray for.
   5:25 Step 12 (not a change of Mind, but Heart.)
   7:00 Recollections about Bill Van Horn (OG), T.Henry Williams, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Reborn Man is new after Step 7.
   11:25 Clarence joins (ex-) wife’s church at Age 52, personal success in St. Petersburg FL ministry: “we are doers!”
   16:30 Rejects non-alcoholics from AA temple
   18:50 Mentions 19th book on alcoholism.
   20:00 on visiting: ‘Fish & Company smell after 3 days’
   21:00 Alcoholics don’t relate to hard-drug users (money/ crime/prostitution; “they did things we cannot relate to”)
   23:00 Q&A
   23:20 Clarence took AAs thru Steps in 2 Days; ~16hrs; Qualification alone might be 4-5 hrs
   24:00 Sponsor writes down Sponsee’s Defects, simple categories.
   24:45 Clarence doesn’t like ‘Higher Power’ talk; sponsee must want Clarence’s (Jesus.)
   26:45 Sometime involvement w/’devil’ spiritualist in OH {Roland Jones, mentioned in Henrietta Sieberling Letter, 1955} Bill Wilson loved it.
   34:00 Rejects ‘Take what you need, leave the rest’ as nitwit advice.
   34:55 “We got our entire program from the Oxford Movement, Six Steps” {False. Erroneous claim; no OG proof; AA evidence from 1948-55 inconsistent, suspect.}
   35:30: “I don’t say everyone took ’em that way, no.” (Interrupted by moderator: “Did Bill write that stuff?” “No we stole it from the Oxford Movement.” “Good outfit, until the connivers got in there – they ruined it.”
   37:00 (Step 7) Defects are removed Immediately.
   37:15 (Unclear) Doesnt approve of multiple sponsors.
   38:00 RecoverED Alcoholic is someone who has taken the Steps. Violate (Steps), you can unrecover, die.
   38:45 Clarence claims Akron edited chapters but New York ignored edits, “They put in whatever they wanted up there.”
   39:00 The book was a “composite”
   39:25 “Hank had more to do with the writing, putting together of this book, than Bill did.” But only mentioned once.
   39:40 The only “necessity” of Basic Text “is Chapter 5”
   40:00 ‘Book written a long time ago’ … “New York didnt have very much experience.”
   40:20 “The book was written for this one purpose … it would reach ppl we couldnt reach by word of mouth.”
   41:00 “I didnt do this kind of activity {explaining Steps} back then” just Surrender {to Jesus/Xtian God} ‘the only part that’s important is Chapter 5’
   41:30 Unclear controversy; he reiterates Chapter 5 adamantly.
   42:40 “You can’t choose a Sponsor, a Sposor should choose you.”
   43:15 Explains how 1938-41? meetgs were closed, selective, not anonymous, ‘Sponsor’ (anachronism before 1941) responsible to train newcomer first, BEFORE 1st meetg.
   44:00 Ridicules idea (that newcomer should find own sponsor), open meetgs, nuisance value (not serious flakes)
   46:10 “Bill Wilson and Doc Smith wanted nothing to do with females AAs.”
   46:50 Recollects Bill Greene (club in DC)
   48:45 “We’re here to carry a message … It took me 7 months to get a message.” 12-Step work is educational, best done in twos, alone you can get in trouble, etc.
   51:00 Attacks Sponsorship pamphlet, Atheism.
   53:00 One Sponsor!
   54:00 Doesn’t care for clubs.
   54:30 Sponsor one newcomer at time, keep busy teaching, but classes unnecessary.
   59:00 We find prospects everywhere, we don’t need to go to jail or the nuthouse.

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