A workshop centered on the Big Book's concept of the 'fourth dimension' evolves into a series of testimonies on the miraculous and the inexplicable. The speakers move from the technical definitions of a spiritual dimension to concrete evidence of a Higher Power's intervention in their lives. They recount strange coincidences—feathers appearing in books red-shouldered hawks diving in front of motorcycles and a man who miraculously regained his driver's license for $37 and was gifted a Honda Civic to transport other drunks. The narrative shifts from the wreckage of addiction and the fear of the future to a state of 'conscious contact,' where the speakers describe a life of peace paid bills and the ability to sleep with a clear conscience viewing these simple victories as the ultimate evidence of a spiritual awakening.
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When, therefore, we were approached by those in whom the problem had been solved, there was nothing left for us but to pick up the simple kit of spiritual tools laid at our feet. We have found much of heaven and we have been rocketed into a new dimension, into a fourth dimension of existence of which we had not even dreamed. The great fact is just this and nothing less, that we have had deep and effective spiritual experiences which have revolutionized our whole attitude toward life, toward our fellows, and toward God's universe. The central fact of our lives today is the absolute certainty that our creator has entered into our hearts and lives in a way that is indeed miraculous. He has commenced to accomplish those things for us which we could never do by ourselves. That is the idea behind this convention, The Fourth Dimension. and Hi everybody, Diane the alcoholic Wow interpretation of that I live in that I've had a profound fourth dimension experience right here at this conference and just about every day I just want to read something out of The Concord where it says fourth dimension, you guys are going to laugh because I read this last Friday a week ago yesterday before I left my office to come to Mississippi to speak at the conference. And this was sitting on my desk, and I just thought I brought it in to one of my counselors, and we sat down and were thumbing through the book, and we read this out of this. And I just want to read what it says because there's a little hint in here. This is fourth dimension stuff. It says, Fourth dimension, something outside the range of ordinary experience, a dimension in addition to the three rectangular dimensions of length, breadth, and depth, which is often considered to be time. I thought that was hysterical that I read that right before I walked out the door and I had the wrong time. I hadthe wrong date. And, you know, there's a line in the big book that says God does not make too hard of terms to those who seek him. And what he just read is my sponsor's very favorite passage in the big book. The first paragraph out of Bill's story that he read is my favorite, and the second paragraph that he read is her favorite. And to me, that's fourth dimension stuff. It's a spiritual dimension. I know they talk about the sixth dimension being a spiritual dimension, but Bill talks about being rocketed into the fourth dimension. And I always wondered what really that meant. Um, and when I got on that rocket and I started that ride and that's what it feels like many days of my life. I feel I go rocket ride baby is my favorite saying because there are so many amazing things that happen in this deal. Um, as I walked out of my office, um, on Friday, Pete and I stopped by there so I could do a couple of things real quick. and before I walked out of my office I stopped for a brief second and I turned around and the thought came to me to grab this feather to travel with this time and I picked up that feather put it in my big book and the next thought that came to be was take your first edition big book and I grabbed my first edition Big Book now my father gave me that first edition Big Book when I was four years sober And it was his very first big book. And when I got here, I had been thinking, I need to get a cover for this fourth edition big book So I get here and what do you think is a gift on my rep very nicely on my bed was a cover for my first edition big books. And those kind of experiences is what I think Bill was talking about my interpretation of what he talks about in the fourth dimension, and that is the spiritual dimension to me. I had no idea what it was, what it Was about, what it looked like, felt like, how to get it. When I first got sober my first year, I ran around like a crazy woman trying to find God, right? And, I mean, I went to this Christian some kind of retreat where all these people prayed over me, and they told me one leg was shorter than the other, and then they laid me down on the floor and they prayed over me and put their hands on me and all that, And then they stood me up and they said, see, you're healed. Your leg is no longer shorter than your other leg. I mean, those are the kind of experiences that I look back at now as a rocket ride, you know. Rafting down the Arkansas River last month with my three sons was a rocket ride into the fourth dimension of something I never, you know, I love Peter M. And one of the things that he said is that your brain cannot, Your mind cannot possibly wrap around the power of which we talk about in these rooms. And, boy, is he right. I still, you know, 11 years here trying to practice these principles and do this work and work with others and carry this message. And it's more of an adventure today than it ever has been. And I know less today about what my life is going to look like than I ever have. And I love that. I lovethat. So I have this connection to a power. and I call it God sometimes and sometimes I call it El Hancho Grande and he sends me sticky notes and they're feathers and just all kinds of really crazy stuff happens and when I got to this conference and I saw this gentleman Larry sitting over here I've never met Larry before and Pete and I were sitting back there eating the wonderful catfish y'all cooked and something kept drawing me I gotta go see that guy and I thought he was from Brookhaven a gentleman I had met when I spoke here a couple of years ago and so I come running up here and I said, Jeff and he said, I'm not Jeff and I know you we have this connection it's unspoken and it will yet to unfold I don't know what it is but that's the kind of stuff that happens to us here and I've had goosebumps since I got here my sponsor refers to them as Godmumps I refer to them as Godmunks sometimes myself and my body has been inundated with God bumps since I walked in this room yesterday. And I want to thank you all for that and I am so grateful that I live in the fourth dimension of existence to which I could never, ever imagine and I thank all of you for that. Thank you. I'm Rhoda, Grateful Recovering Al-Anon. and I remember years ago when I first started reading the big book that reading on page 25 we have found much of heaven and have been rocketed to a fourth dimension of existence of which we had never ever dreamed caught my attention and I'm like wait a minute I've got to read that again are you telling me that one of the promises and there's so many promises in this big book well over 100 promises not just the ones on page 82 and 83 but you're telling me that one of the promises of working this program is I will find much of heaven I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church and I thought the only way I would get to heaven is when I died and you're saying and you are telling me if I live this way and work these steps that I will actually have much of Heaven and that was just so profound for me and then the next part I really didn't understand what does it mean you will be rocketed to a fourth dimension of existence of which you had never ever dreamed And now I know what that means. And I would not trade that for anything, you know. You know, we get promises in these programs that are intangible. And they're promises that the world can neither give nor take away. Yet I can lose those if I stop working this program. So to me, that was just so profound, the fourth dimension of existence. And, you Know, you don't even know how to explain what that is. I guess that may be something different for everybody. But, you know, for me it's like I walk around all the time. I don't always. I'm not always up. I mean, we all have bad days. We're only human. But most of the time I'm very peaceful and serene, most ofthe time. But,you know,for me that means I'm walking around with my heads in the clouds. But I have to remind myself constantly I've got to keep my feet on the ground because that's where God's kids are and that's where the people are that I need to share the message with and try to help. And then the other part of that passage that says, you know, our creator has entered into our hearts and lives in a way which is indeed miraculous. You know, like Rick shared in his story earlier today, he was saved so many times and I was saved, you knows, so many times, but you know what? It's different here. It feels different than it did then. And, you know, God is in my heart today and he does live in a way that's indeed miraculous. And you just can't explain that stuff. You just have to experience it. And it's all part of the all-encompassing spiritual awakening, in my opinion. And,you know, it lives in away which is indeed miraculous, lives inaway which is indeed a miracle. And,You know, they define a miracle as being an event, I think this is in Webster, an event that is unexplainable by laws of nature, so is therefore deemed to be an act of God. And I think that's what recovery is. It's God's gift to us, and I'm eternally grateful. Thanks. Happy, joyous, free, yeah! Fourth dimension. There was a group in the 60s called the Fifth Dimension. You know, the age of Aquarius, up, up and away. Anyway, funny things come from our minds. You know I speak from my heart, my gut, not from my brains. To me fourth dimension is living free, happy, joyous and free. And that's the ultimate promise of any AA member. And we all have access to the fourth dimension by the way. It's not exclusive of some. Everyone has access to fourth dimension. To me, it comes after working the 12 steps. It's a process. It doesn't come to me like Bill W. After Katrina, I traveled to the house of Bill W in East Dorset in Vermont and to the House of Dr. Bob in Akron, Ohio, just to talk to the very old-timers who met this gentleman and just to latch on to the spirit of the old-timers, you know? I've learned a lot about the fourth dimension with them. The fourth dimension comes as a byproduct of living right, and it's like the end of the 12th step, the end on the rainbow, the end off the yellow brick road, and it fills with joy. You cannot take joy away from me, even if you try, nor from you. It's more than pleasure seeking. Pleasure is fleeting. Joy is eternal. Truth is eternal, light, beauty, poetry, music. When alcoholism hits you at 2 in the morning and you're filled with fear and anger and resentment and self-centeredness, you need all the help you can get. If you're anything like me, you need All the Help You Can Get. You know what I do? I turn the radio on. Sometimes it's classical music, sometimes it's rock and roll, baby. And I have the tools. Why? Because I live in the fourth dimension and I know how to deal with this mental illness. But not only that, the spiritual lack. We don't do well in the first, second, and third dimension. We alcoholics don't. We have to, every morning when I wake up, I pray and meditate. And I pray for God of my understanding for please, please, please save me when I cannot save myself. I depend on you, God. You know, I depend on you like a baby depends on the umbilical cord of his or her mother, you know? And I am aware of that limitation. I do have limitations. I have many gifts and many talents, God-given. They don't belong to me. They're borrowed, and they belong to the community of AA and the community at large. And I make full exercise of them. I'm not coy. I'm no shy about that. It's not a matter of bragging or full display of gifts and talents. It would be selfish of me to keep them to myself. It would feel like spiritual narcissism if you would, if you will. If I don't apply whatever little gifts I have and share them with you, and I love Rhoda and Rick. I mean, they're a beautiful example of an AA, an Al-Anon couple that are sharing, and it's noticeable, their joy, and it is attraction, you know? It's not promotion. Or the gentleman and the lady that have 40, 150 years married, you know? I don' t know. I learn from them, you How do you get to be 150 years married? It's difficult, but they do it. So we see they live in the fourth dimension. So God bless each and every one of you. I have the inkling that fourth dimension has to do with the eternal concept of love. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hello everybody I'm Rick I'll call it It is amazing Spiritual movement In the history of the world There's never Ever been a solution for alcoholism The age old riddle Now Marcel spoke about it I've been fortunate enough to have been to meetings all over. Whenever I travel, I go to meetings. They have meetings in Russia. A guy sponsored me. They have a meeting in China, Vietnam. They even have meetings on the ground. They even had meetings in Tehran. There's nothing like one alcoholic helping another one. And if you read the big book, a lot of the things that God inspired Bill, he didn't know when he wrote it. and it's a fascinating book and throughout the whole world think about this in this spiritual movement only in the last 70 something years has there ever been a solution for alcoholism never been one and he wrote the textbook and in the whole world the original manuscript y'all ever seen that or seen a duplicate of it in the hole world that original manuscript is in the town that me and Rhoda live in, Fairhope, Alabama. That's amazing, isn't it? We had an AA party Christmas and we tried to get him to bring it over but he wouldn't do it. He paid about a million five hundred thousand dollars for it. So as far as for me I try to keep recovery the big book says most good ideas are simple this is the keystone archway which we walk to freedom that's what I want to be so the fourth dimension really is an existence if I exist, I live it's my life it's a life it's the life of which I never dreamed of so as a fellow sufferer my fourth dimension now is really to have peace to pay my bills I think that's fourth dimension. That's amazing, isn't it? Have you ever paid your bills and thank God you can pay your bills and not have to pay late charges? I thank God fourth dimension for me is I can answer the telephone. I used to really get nervous or paranoid. I thank god I'm a good father today. Do you know I can make commitments and keep them? I sleep like a baby. I never could sleep. The greatest sleeping pill on this earth is a clear conscience. And that's what you gave me. I'm a good husband today, a good employee when I work. I'm an excellent citizen. I can do so many things that I never could do before by being empowered not being sober I never really liked that but I love this empowering recovering life this all ebullient I love it another fourth dimension the thing for me is to be empowered to be able to take another suffering alcoholic who's hopeless and share with him and guide him through the steps. I love that. I love working with families. I love going to jails and institutions. I love, Chuck Chamberlain used to say it all the time, to me the essence of recovery is the ability to do. And all it would take is one drink, not twenty. If you gave me one drink I'd be in the basement all along. A lot of us, I end with this, a lot of use to go to these fortune tellers, these palm readers to read our future. Remember that? You pay them $4. I want to know my future. And I'm paying her. I don't care about that anymore. AA got me current with my bills, my past, and it allows me the gift of living in the present. And I think that's one of the greatest gifts of AA. I don' t worry about that any more. I don't have all that guilt. I'm able to just live right here and enjoy this moment, this conference. And that's all. My name is Larry Scott, and I am an alcoholic. And I'm free this afternoon. Free means that I've recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. um the great spirit has given me the the privilege with a partner by the name of charlie out to travel around the world and and conduct three-day joe and charlie style book studies and through this regimen we've done a lot of research and study because the question comes up a great deal as to what what do these words mean bill throws out the word phenomena Phenomenon Miracle Miraculous Well all those words mean the same thing They can't be explained Rhoda alluded to that moments ago And what is the fourth dimension? Well If you start googling You can google yourself crazy Because I have That's what you got up here There's a crazy man And The one that we give as in the PowerPoint presentation. In the four dimensions, there's a physical dimension, height, length, and width. You've got a time dimension, that's past, present, and future. And then you've got a mental dimension, which is thought, perception, and feeling. And the fourth dimension is a conscious contact with God. The operative word there is conscious. I don't know about your God. Mine never puts up a neon sign on I-75 and says, well Larry, this is what you need to be doing. God gives me these very clear, they're very seldom vague or muddy or murky directions on what my next move is to be. That's promised to me in that 11th step work that we do. And working with my guys, I tell them, I say, guys, when the awareness begins. And they say, what does that mean? Well, when you wake up. You know, when we wake up, when you come up out of this fog that you've immersed yourself in for all these years. I mean, I drank since I was about six years old. And I didn't turn myself into A&A until I was 40. So I was pretty well immersed in a life of insanity and self-imposed delusion and illusion. So today, when things start coming to me that I know to be God's will, I've woken up to what that is. And I'm going to take a couple of minutes. It's a story I shared with my friend earlier today when we were talking about our feather relationships. I had a lot of tragedy come down on me within about a 30-day period. She got sick and had to leave. My house caught fire. My furnaces blew up. My ceiling fell in my house because of a deluge of rain. And all of this stuff was happening and my best friend, my little dog Catfish, died after 16 years. And I raised my fist at God And I said, make your point. What are you trying to tell me here? Enough. A few days later, I was riding down the road. I was leading a ride of motorcycles to the Atlanta Men's Workshop, which is a three-day spiritual retreat in central Georgia. I'm of Native American heritage, so I follow the red road path of spirituality. And we're riding along running 65 miles an hour, and I noticed movement in my upper right periphery. And all this happened this quick. I looked up, and it was a red-shouldered hawk with a five-foot wingspan. He came into a vertical dive, and he got about four feet off of the deck. He flew dead in front of my motorcycle, and when he got right dead center, he turned and looked me dead in the eye. And I went, whoa. And the cat that was right next to me, he's native also, and we were both kind of dumbfounded, and I started poking around trying to figure out what that meant because it was a visit that just doesn't happen every day. It might happen with a young hawk, but not a mature hawk like that, you know? And what I found out, it was signifying a change, and I was about to go through a profound change in my life. The economy was crashing, and Susan had gotten sick, and cancer survivor, blah, blah. It's a very long story. So I start doing the work with my sponsor to get on the other side of this mire because I can't live like this. Start doing the Work, well, it's June the 22nd the following year. I'm leading a ride out of Knoxville, Tennessee through the back roads of Tennessee, beautiful June morning. we're heading to Knoxville to meet my now big book study partner Charlie Yowes who's speaking at an A&A conference over there in Chattanooga we're rolling along the road running about 65 miles an hour and I'm up front and I notice movement in my upper right periphery all this happened this quick it was a five foot wingspan red shouldered hawk he came down in a vertical dive He got about four foot off the deck, and he leveled out and got right in front of my motorcycle and just looked me dead in the eye. I pulled over on an impoundment up there, a big body of water, and it was very clear to me what that visit was all about. Larry, you've gotten on the other side of this difficulty and you've recovered from that momentary piece of insanity and inconvenience that you went through. Now, we could all call that a coinkydink. And y'all have at it if you want to. But that ain't my experience. I'm going to share one more story with you because when the awareness begins, the word coincidence is gone. Coincidence is a miracle in which God chooses to remain anonymous. There's a guy that came to me. He'd lost his driving privilege. He'd been prosecuted in seven Georgia counties for alcohol and drug-related offenses while operating a motor vehicle, and he had lost his privilege, and he's riding a bicycle back and forth to work. Old skinhead-looking thing all inked up and teeth broke out, and he always sat in the front row with that big book, that big print. he came to me one tuesday night and he said larry it's about time for me to start looking at getting my license back and i said paul that's a great idea what do you got to do so well i got to get this real expensive insurance i gotto get one of the things you blow into an interlock device i gotta go to a dui school and it's gonna be expensive i said do you have the money he says i do i said well before we go into that i said and i knew this guy was spiritually grounded He's leading these cats. He's going over to the homeless shelter and taking these cats through the work and banging them over the head with a book. So I knew it was on point. And I said, well, Paul, why don't you do this first? Why don't You go down to the driver's license place and just ask them what they think about this? Keeping in mind, guys, we're waking up here when the awareness begins. He said, Larry, I already know. I said would you just do this for me let's just go down and double check so he went down on a Friday afternoon had one of his sponsors drive him down he went up to the window and he tells the lady my name is Paul blah blah blah he said would you look in that machine and tell me where I stand and she goes she says you live over Marietta Georgia on this street and she says yes ma'am she says that will be $37 he did $37 Marcel so he said excuse me just a minute and he stepped back and he called me and said she said $37 I said Paul take the license he said but I said no you have slipped through some bureaucratic red tape you go get them licensed see when we do God's work well these all sorts of miraculous things happen so he went back over to Wenda and he said ma'am please just look at it one more time and she said do you want your license or not it's $37 She gave him the license and he left And he showed up at the meeting And he said I got my license back I said good for you And in Georgia when they take your license They staple them to the ticket And that license felt like a cheese grater Had been stapled so much I said well what's I said Paul do you have a car He said no I don't I said now you don't have to go get that insurance The interlock device and all that business And the school I said when you get a car What are you going to do with it He says, well, he said, I'm going to load it up with drunks over from the homeless shelter and take them to meetings. I said, Paul, you go home tonight and you ask God to give you a car. He said, really? I said. You betcha. Paul went home that night and he asked God to get him a car or get him my car. He had the money. He showed up at the breakfast club meeting. It's a big book study up in Woodstock, Georgia at 7 o'clock the next morning. He ran into a cat there he hadn't seen in 15 years, didn't even know the fellow was in the rooms. They were old classmates in high school. He said, sure is good to see you, Paul. He said I didn't know you were in here. He said no, you were either. Good to see Mary, got the children, everything's good, blah, blah catching up. The guy says, Paul, do you need a car? Paul says, as a matter of fact, I do. He said well we've got this little Honda Civic we bought new and we've maintained it And me and her just bought a new Accord. And once you come get that car, he says, what do you want for it? He says, no. He says just come get it. You can have it. We just put a timing belt on it. Paul called me up and he said, the fellow gave me a car this morning, Larry. I said, Paul, you're one of God's favorite kids. He showed up at the big book study that evening. A little old brown four-door Honda Civic. and it parked. And all four doors opened. It looked like a clown car with drunks rolling out of it. And I'm going to tell you what, I hadn't seen Paul in a while. He moved to St. Johnsbury, Vermont, Dr. Bob's home. But I would imagine based on that experience the awareness began with him and it hasn't been shaken. That's a faith that you just can't buy. We've got to live this thing and I've been rocketed. and it's not only in my experience I get to see this rocket ride with all these cats that I get to meet man it's a ride I wouldn't trade for nothing and there ain't a shot of dope or a shot o' liquor on the planet that comes close to this ride that God's given me and I'm real excited to be with you people this weekend thank you for having me My name's Chet, and I'm an alcoholic. And I'm a grateful alcoholic. The fourth dimension is to be able to stand here today and all the amazing things that people are talking about. You know, I've got a God in my understanding today that if I didn't have, I'd be dead. You know Diana and I were talking and we were talking about getting ready to tell our stories. You know when I get ready to talk, tell my story, I go pray. And I go pray because this is God's opportunity to get some stuff out of me and into you. That is the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension to understand that I don't have to stand up here today and have a drink of whiskey or a bump of heroin or a pill of LSD or anything else that put me out there. you know in the big book there is a solution you know and a lot of mathematical problems and all that stuff we do in life they never give us a solution in the Big Book I'm Dr. Bob Thumper by the way not a Bill Thumpper I love Dr.Bob and all the history but you know they never gave us a resolution it's like giving God he said he wants the dollar and we give him 75 cents We put that quarter back in our pocket because we don't think he's got the entire solution. My grandbabies tomorrow will be 20 months old. They were born one pound two ounces and one pound four ounces. Doctors said they wouldn't make it, calling the family. We loaded up, drove to the Everglades. They're normal today. That's a fourth dimension thing. And in my fourth dimension, as I understand it, this program has taught me and these beautiful people up here have taught me and you have taught my fourth dimension is about letting you be you. I don't have to take your inventory. I don' t have to do anything except show up and suit up. You know one of the things when I first came into Alcoholics Anonymous my first sponsor is dead and gone and one of things he says is we can't fix stupid. And I was having a real hard time at understanding, you know, it might take a while to fix me. But he told me, remember one thing, as long as you're in the program Alcoholics Anonymous, this is stone cold simple. You don't drink or use today. Period. And he says when you get wired, you call me. He said when everything's awry and you think that, you now, the world's just falling apart, call me. You know, I've had people walk into my life in Alcoholics Anonymous or up on the street and I've got to say, you shared that beautiful today. I just don't believe the fourth dimension is God always puts, always, not sometimes, always puts the right person at the right place at the right time for the right circumstances. I'm going to share a little story with you, and I told Steve I wasn't going to share this in my story, but I've got time now. I was five years sober and I wanted to get drunk. I went camping at a state park and I asked to be in the isolated area where nobody was around and I did that. I said, well, hell, you know, if I'm gonna get drunk, I need to go ahead and eat something. So I was getting the firewood together to cook a steak and boil some tatas. And I heard some racking, and there's a guy setting a tent up back there. And I had just stopped and bought a half gallon of Jim Beam. My intentions were to get drunk. I had some other stuff too, but my intention was to get drink. I went out and gathered some more firewood and came back, and there was two or three more tents sitting up back here. By the time I got done eating, there was 12, 15 tents. There was a herd of people there. This is in isolation now, you know. And this is the women and the men and everybody together. They ain't got no toilets, you Know. You've got to walk down a mile to fill up your water. You know, this just don't happen by mistake. This guy come over and said, Hey man, we're going to have an AA thing over here tonight. Would you like to come join us? That is the fourth dimension. that's like the feathers in the eagle and them calling me in for last rights for my grand i just got goosebumps the last rights from my grand babies we went down there for my gran babies i opened the incubators we scrubbed up all that fancy stuff went in and opened the incubators and i laid hands on my grandbabies i'm not a you know i'm a super i'm no pastor i'm Not none of that stuff. And I said, God, I want your will to be done in these babies, not mine. My will is to save the babies. That's my human instinct. But we prayed over them and I told my boy and my daughter-in-law, you know, might as well go back to the house. You know, we ain't got control of this no more. So we went back and ate. They said, well, let's call the hospital. I said why don't we leave this alone? and I'm sitting out there while he's drinking a beer and he says, Daddy, does this bother you? I said, no, it don't bother me. Son, you've got total right to get drunk if you want. I'm just not going with you. You know, today my fourth dimension is God, of my understanding, is the center of my fourth dimensional. On the outside is that how I deal with Chet and on the outside of it is how I dealing with you all. I like the way y'all talk in Mississippi, by the way. I'm a Yankee. It's how I deal with you all. And the outside of that fourth dimension is how I deal with everybody else, sober or drunk, inside these rooms and outside these rooms. To me, that's my objective. And there's an old man that some of you know his name is Don C. And he laid that out to me one time when I first got sober, and he says whenever you screw that center up and you let Chet, you wake up in the morning with Chet. You're going to have a bad day. I wake up into the morning with the God of my understanding today. That is my fourth dimension. I've got a sponsor, and we can go back about six on them. He's got a sponsored. He's going to sponsor. I sponsor six men, and I co-sponsor a young lady. And it is a blessing what the fourth dimension lets me do. Thank you. Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed the podcast. Sobercast is ad-free, and we'd like your help in order to keep it that way. So if you'd like to help us be self-supporting by pledging a dollar or two a month, visit SoberCast.com and look for the donate links. Thank you very much.
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